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Take a OT in the 2nd?

I live in the UK and so struggle to watch many college games, when I do get to watch them I rarely get to properly look at the OTs.

Just want to know at which point do people think we would not take a OT in the 1st (who would have to be off the board)?

Also how much of a drop off are the 2nd rounders people like Fox etc?

Just trying to get opinions, could we get away with two "skill" positions in the first if Iupati (someone I really want) and the OTs are off the board, or is the drop off too great?
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I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.

With all due respect, I think we need at least one OL in the first round. If we went with your plan I think we would live to regret it.
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Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.

With all due respect, I think we need at least one OL in the first round. If we went with your plan I think we would live to regret it.

I kind of think we do too. Then I kind of don't. The safest way to go about it would be to take one in the 1st. There's no doubt about that. But I guarantee that one of the top 7 will be there. Even if they aren't there is Kyle Calloway among a couple others. I don't think we need an OT in the 1st. But like I say it would be the safest bet.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.

With all due respect, I think we need at least one OL in the first round. If we went with your plan I think we would live to regret it.

I kind of think we do too. Then I kind of don't. The safest way to go about it would be to take one in the 1st. There's no doubt about that. But I guarantee that one of the top 7 will be there. Even if they aren't there is Kyle Calloway among a couple others. I don't think we need an OT in the 1st. But like I say it would be the safest bet.

Agree, but I don't want Dez Bryant since he has signed Crabtree's agent.
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.

With all due respect, I think we need at least one OL in the first round. If we went with your plan I think we would live to regret it.

I kind of think we do too. Then I kind of don't. The safest way to go about it would be to take one in the 1st. There's no doubt about that. But I guarantee that one of the top 7 will be there. Even if they aren't there is Kyle Calloway among a couple others. I don't think we need an OT in the 1st. But like I say it would be the safest bet.

Agree, but I don't want Dez Bryant since he has signed Crabtree's agent.

Parker won't be a problem with us. Not only because the situations are different. Also because he knows we aren't going to fold.
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller

2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.



If we got Dez Bryant AND CJ Spiller, that'd be pretty exciting for our offense. But realistically, there's no way we don't take one of those OTs aforementioned in the 1st. I REALLY, REALLY want Spiller on this team with the other pick. We need a player who can return kicks/punts and be a better #2 to Gore. I'm tired of hearing people say that we can get one of those players in the 3rd or 4th round. How that makes any sense is beyond me. Players that are good PR/KR are usually good on the field as well so their draft stock is high. You need to invest a high pick on one. There are very few return specialists b/c those guys need to see the field. Cribs is in on almost all offensive snaps for Cleveland and Hester has become a decent WR. We all know how much of an impact Desean Jackson has on offense as well.

And as for in his RB role...most good teams have multiple RBs...that's been well established by now.

Now, if we can find a speedy WR who can also be a return specialist, well then I'd be on board with that as well. I just don't see a Desean Jackson type WR in this draft...but I don't claim to be a draft dude either...
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Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by krizay:
I for one am actually thinking 2 skilled players is the way to go. I can't see all 7 of the top tackles going in the 1st.

These 4 guys have 1st round grades
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga

With these 3 having 1-2 round grades.
Bruce Campbell
Charles Brown
Jason Fox

As much as I don't really like taking Spiller in the 1st. I guess a draft like this would work out kind of great.

1a. Dez Bryant
1b. CJ Spiller
2. one of the tackles from above falls to the 2nd.
3. Vladimir Ducasse OG, Umass

This would give us firepower on offense for a few atleast 5 years. Well QB pending. Which would allow us to focus almost primarily on getting a dominant defense starting next offseason.

All of this assuming our draft picks pan out the way we all hope.

With all due respect, I think we need at least one OL in the first round. If we went with your plan I think we would live to regret it.

I kind of think we do too. Then I kind of don't. The safest way to go about it would be to take one in the 1st. There's no doubt about that. But I guarantee that one of the top 7 will be there. Even if they aren't there is Kyle Calloway among a couple others. I don't think we need an OT in the 1st. But like I say it would be the safest bet.

Agree, but I don't want Dez Bryant since he has signed Crabtree's agent.

Passing on a player because you don't like his agent is unprofessional. Separate personal feelings from business decisions, It's about doing what's best for the team and if said player is far and away the BPA then you'd be beyond foolish for doing so.

Parker also has another client on this team...Chilo Rachal.