Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by smileyman:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by smileyman:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
OPTIMAL:
1) Joe Haden
2) Mike Iupati
3) Jerry Hughes
I think Haden will be an average CB in the NFL. Not someone worth spending a first round pick on.
Wow - that couldnt be further from the truth... There are many out there that feel he compares favorably to one Darrell Revis. While I wouldnt go that far, I certainly feel that he profiles as a future shut down corner certainly worthy of a 1st round pick - not to mention, he is fearless in terms of his run stopping ability.
Care to elaborate on your opinion?
I've elaborated several times on this. Watch Haden any time he faces a decent team. He gets beat often--he's especially vulnerable to a double move and the inside routes. Luckily Major Wright is an incredible safety and can bail him out. Watch Haden try to come up in run support. He misses tackles and is easily blocked.
By no means is he a shut-down corner. Not even close. Like I said I think he'll be average at best.
he shut down
julio jones 2 catches for 28 yds
gilyard 7 catches for 41 yds (mainly screens)
Aj green 3 catches 50 yds
and he only let 1 td this year and that was perfectly thrown to a 6 foot 3 WR
Julio Jones--43 receptions, 596 yards. Jones averaged 3 catches for 38 yards a game. Haden kept him to one less catch than normal. Not exactly a shut down is it?
Mardy Gilyard--87 catches, 1191 yards. That's an average of 7 catches and 91 yards per game. Haden kept him to the exact same number of catches that he averaged all year. Not hardly a shut down corner is he?
AJ Green--53 receptions, 808 yards. That's 5 receptions, 82 yards average. So the shut down corner only kept AJ Green to 2 less receptions than normal. Wow, lets' go spend a first round draft choice on him.
Here's what a real shut down corner looks like.
Darrelle Revis
Andre Johnson--101 receptions, 1569 yards in 2009. That's an average of 6 receptions for 102 yards a game. Revis kept him to 35 yards.
Randy Moss--83 receptions, 1264 yards. 83 yards a game average. Revis kept him to 24 yards.
Marques Colston--70 receptions, 1074 yards. Average of 5 receptions and 69.4 yards a game. Revis kept him to just 2 receptions and 33 yards.
Chad Ochocinco--72 receptions, 1047 yards. 5 receptions, 69.8 yards a game. Revis shut him down completely. 0 receptions, 0 yards.
Revis also has 31 passes defended, and 6 INTs. Haden has 8 passes defended, and 4 INTs.
Haden's numbers are more inline with someone like Dre Bly or Shantae Spencer. Average to slightly above-average CBs, but not elite.