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Why not draft a RB in the First Round???

  • krizay
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.




Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

What I said was potential starter.

Which could be any combination of

OL
S
WR (well Dez Bryant who won't be there)
OLB
CB

I don't care what Jacksonville does. I just knew at least one domesik would say they didn't need him because they already had a RB. Then totally take that argument out of the equation as for why we should take him.


Hi, knucklehead here, and for your info, I'm a grown man and you may address me as such, my username will do just fine. Hold on for this, but........

MJD is a better gack then Gore, he is younger, and has been hurt less. Jacksonville doesn't need Spiller as bad as the 49ers do because their RB is better and younger then ours. Gore has 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row, that is awesome, that means that he is a great RB, it also means he has miles on those wheels and has gotten hurt the past 3 seasons. He is great but he is quit a bit past the halfway point of this career and when a homerun threat is on the board you take them. Or would you like to get more Balmers and leave more Jacksons on the board.

And you are really making yourself look silly with this "Spiller can't play the slot" stuff, he only plays the slot in every game he plays.



I agree MJD is better than Gore. MJD is 2 years younger than Gore (who's only 26 BTW) But the fact remains they need a playmaker more than us. Especially if he can play the slot like you guys say he can.

You can't hit homeruns from the dugout!

I guess I don't understand why I should care about the Jaguars. If they pick Spiller then fine. If not, then why not us.

I still haven't seen a response about paying top 15 money to a ROT and interior lineman though.

Dude you think paying top 15 money for a backup and a return guy is worth it. So what exactly can I say to you, with you not thinking 2 lineman would be worth it.

Even though I stated atleast 2 times that it didn't have to be 2 lineman.

And I agree and have stated that o lineman can be had later.

What you seem to fail to realize is so can a backup RB and especially a return man.
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Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.


Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

What I said was potential starter.

Which could be any combination of

OL
S
WR (well Dez Bryant who won't be there)
OLB
CB

I don't care what Jacksonville does. I just knew at least one domesik would say they didn't need him because they already had a RB. Then totally take that argument out of the equation as for why we should take him.


Hi, knucklehead here, and for your info, I'm a grown man and you may address me as such, my username will do just fine. Hold on for this, but........

MJD is a better gack then Gore, he is younger, and has been hurt less. Jacksonville doesn't need Spiller as bad as the 49ers do because their RB is better and younger then ours. Gore has 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row, that is awesome, that means that he is a great RB, it also means he has miles on those wheels and has gotten hurt the past 3 seasons. He is great but he is quit a bit past the halfway point of this career and when a homerun threat is on the board you take them. Or would you like to get more Balmers and leave more Jacksons on the board.

And you are really making yourself look silly with this "Spiller can't play the slot" stuff, he only plays the slot in every game he plays.

On what grounds is MJD a better back than Gore? Because he gets more rushing touchdowns? Gore never got much of a chance until this year in the Red zone, which is where MJD got most of his TDs, and with Gore's new opportunities he got double digit touchdowns. Jones-Drew gained only 200 more rushing yards than Gore, with more than 80 extra carries.

Gore may be 2 years older, but he's only been in the league 1 year longer than MJD. Dunno how you think Gore is WAY past the midpoint in his career but Jones-Drew should still run longer.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.




Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

What I said was potential starter.

Which could be any combination of

OL
S
WR (well Dez Bryant who won't be there)
OLB
CB

I don't care what Jacksonville does. I just knew at least one domesik would say they didn't need him because they already had a RB. Then totally take that argument out of the equation as for why we should take him.


Hi, knucklehead here, and for your info, I'm a grown man and you may address me as such, my username will do just fine. Hold on for this, but........

MJD is a better gack then Gore, he is younger, and has been hurt less. Jacksonville doesn't need Spiller as bad as the 49ers do because their RB is better and younger then ours. Gore has 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row, that is awesome, that means that he is a great RB, it also means he has miles on those wheels and has gotten hurt the past 3 seasons. He is great but he is quit a bit past the halfway point of this career and when a homerun threat is on the board you take them. Or would you like to get more Balmers and leave more Jacksons on the board.

And you are really making yourself look silly with this "Spiller can't play the slot" stuff, he only plays the slot in every game he plays.



I agree MJD is better than Gore. MJD is 2 years younger than Gore (who's only 26 BTW) But the fact remains they need a playmaker more than us. Especially if he can play the slot like you guys say he can.

You can't hit homeruns from the dugout!

I guess I don't understand why I should care about the Jaguars. If they pick Spiller then fine. If not, then why not us.

I still haven't seen a response about paying top 15 money to a ROT and interior lineman though.

Dude you think paying top 15 money for a backup and a return guy is worth it. So what exactly can I say to you, with you not thinking 2 lineman would be worth it.

Even though I stated atleast 2 times that it didn't have to be 2 lineman.

First, since I am over 40 I am not a dude.

Second, I ran down other needs and who would be available that would be worth a top 15 pick.

Third, I am talking about a PT running back, slot receiver, kick returner, punt returner, not just a part running back. We're also talking about speed, something that our skill players on offense clearly lack.

Fourth, I can't think of any linemen that will be available at 13 or 16/17 that bring on any memories of Ogden or the like that would make it seem necessary to pay them this type of money.

Fifth, Frank Gore is out of a couple games every year, is playing on surgically repaired lower body parts, and while he is a good running back someone with first round running back skills and speed spelling him is not a bad idea. You do know that you could line up Spiller in the slot and Frank at RB and not be penalized, correct?

Sixth, who is the last interior lineman that was drafted in the top 17 that you can find that worked out. I know there are a few lineman that were drafted as "can't miss" L-OTs who ended up playing guard, but can't remember any guards or centers that were drafted that high that had stellar careers. If you can point one out, then please do so.

Finally, if you can't find a skill player or interior lineman that would fit that bill of being worth a top 15 pick, then maybe we ought to trade back and pick up some extra draft choices. It seemed to work for the former 49er regime.
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Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.




Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

What I said was potential starter.

Which could be any combination of

OL
S
WR (well Dez Bryant who won't be there)
OLB
CB

I don't care what Jacksonville does. I just knew at least one domesik would say they didn't need him because they already had a RB. Then totally take that argument out of the equation as for why we should take him.


Hi, knucklehead here, and for your info, I'm a grown man and you may address me as such, my username will do just fine. Hold on for this, but........

MJD is a better gack then Gore, he is younger, and has been hurt less. Jacksonville doesn't need Spiller as bad as the 49ers do because their RB is better and younger then ours. Gore has 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row, that is awesome, that means that he is a great RB, it also means he has miles on those wheels and has gotten hurt the past 3 seasons. He is great but he is quit a bit past the halfway point of this career and when a homerun threat is on the board you take them. Or would you like to get more Balmers and leave more Jacksons on the board.

And you are really making yourself look silly with this "Spiller can't play the slot" stuff, he only plays the slot in every game he plays.



I agree MJD is better than Gore. MJD is 2 years younger than Gore (who's only 26 BTW) But the fact remains they need a playmaker more than us. Especially if he can play the slot like you guys say he can.

You can't hit homeruns from the dugout!

I guess I don't understand why I should care about the Jaguars. If they pick Spiller then fine. If not, then why not us.

I still haven't seen a response about paying top 15 money to a ROT and interior lineman though.

Dude you think paying top 15 money for a backup and a return guy is worth it. So what exactly can I say to you, with you not thinking 2 lineman would be worth it.

Even though I stated atleast 2 times that it didn't have to be 2 lineman.

First, since I am over 40 I am not a dude.

Second, I ran down other needs and who would be available that would be worth a top 15 pick.

Third, I am talking about a PT running back, slot receiver, kick returner, punt returner, not just a part running back. We're also talking about speed, something that our skill players on offense clearly lack.

Fourth, I can't think of any linemen that will be available at 13 or 16/17 that bring on any memories of Ogden or the like that would make it seem necessary to pay them this type of money.

Fifth, Frank Gore is out of a couple games every year, is playing on surgically repaired lower body parts, and while he is a good running back someone with first round running back skills and speed spelling him is not a bad idea. You do know that you could line up Spiller in the slot and Frank at RB and not be penalized, correct?

Sixth, who is the last interior lineman that was drafted in the top 17 that you can find that worked out. I know there are a few lineman that were drafted as "can't miss" L-OTs who ended up playing guard, but can't remember any guards or centers that were drafted that high that had stellar careers. If you can point one out, then please do so.

Finally, if you can't find a skill player or interior lineman that would fit that bill of being worth a top 15 pick, then maybe we ought to trade back and pick up some extra draft choices. It seemed to work for the former 49er regime.

1: still a dude

2: you only gave me one option (2 o lineman) when commenting on my lack of response

3: Can still be found in later rounds.

4: Oh so the lineman have to be Ogden. But the backup RB/Slot/ return specialist doesn't have to be Adrian Peterson?

5: backup RB is a need You guys are over playing this slot WR mumbo jumbo. How often do you seriously think they will happen? Don't make it out to be like he's going to be a full time slot guy. 5 times tops. But even still We can still get a back up RB later. You do realize that WR's can play slot too right?

6: Without rechecking and listing everyone. Steve Hutchinson was the 17th pick.

Finally, I'd be cool with trading back. But I'm pretty sure we kind find some players that fit the bill. Either way. I'd welcome a trade down.
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.




Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

What I said was potential starter.

Which could be any combination of

OL
S
WR (well Dez Bryant who won't be there)
OLB
CB

I don't care what Jacksonville does. I just knew at least one domesik would say they didn't need him because they already had a RB. Then totally take that argument out of the equation as for why we should take him.


Hi, knucklehead here, and for your info, I'm a grown man and you may address me as such, my username will do just fine. Hold on for this, but........

MJD is a better gack then Gore, he is younger, and has been hurt less. Jacksonville doesn't need Spiller as bad as the 49ers do because their RB is better and younger then ours. Gore has 4 1,000 yard seasons in a row, that is awesome, that means that he is a great RB, it also means he has miles on those wheels and has gotten hurt the past 3 seasons. He is great but he is quit a bit past the halfway point of this career and when a homerun threat is on the board you take them. Or would you like to get more Balmers and leave more Jacksons on the board.

And you are really making yourself look silly with this "Spiller can't play the slot" stuff, he only plays the slot in every game he plays.



I agree MJD is better than Gore. MJD is 2 years younger than Gore (who's only 26 BTW) But the fact remains they need a playmaker more than us. Especially if he can play the slot like you guys say he can.

You can't hit homeruns from the dugout!

I guess I don't understand why I should care about the Jaguars. If they pick Spiller then fine. If not, then why not us.

I still haven't seen a response about paying top 15 money to a ROT and interior lineman though.

Dude you think paying top 15 money for a backup and a return guy is worth it. So what exactly can I say to you, with you not thinking 2 lineman would be worth it.

Even though I stated atleast 2 times that it didn't have to be 2 lineman.

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

The obvious thing is that the 49ers Defense is way ahead of the offense. Josh Morgan was no longer a deep threat after he started returning kickoffs. Josh Morgan averaged over 15 a catch before returning kicks, ended the season at 10 per catch.

Battle was a terrible punt returner that averaged 2 yards a return and often let the ball drop which ended in horrible field position.

The back up RB averaged less than 3 yards a carry, at the end of the year every time he came in it was an obvious passing down. So why wouldn't you blitz your LB when Coffee comes into the game.


A player like Spiller who has experience in all these positions would fill the three biggest holes in last years offense. Allowing Josh Morgan to be more effective in the passing game as a deep threat, giving the 49ers a more dynamic RB. And improve the field position with good returns and experience in fielding punts.
Some of the better OL's in history have featured multiple 1st round picks. I don't care where the picks come from, as long as the OL gets fixed.

We were prepared to spend #10 money on Oher last year. There is no reason to think Scot will hesitate to spend #13 on an OT this year.
Originally posted by tmg808:

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

The obvious thing is that the 49ers Defense is way ahead of the offense. Josh Morgan was no longer a deep threat after he started returning kickoffs. Josh Morgan averaged over 15 a catch before returning kicks, ended the season at 10 per catch.

Battle was a terrible punt returner that averaged 2 yards a return and often let the ball drop which ended in horrible field position.

The back up RB averaged less than 3 yards a carry, at the end of the year every time he came in it was an obvious passing down. So why wouldn't you blitz your LB when Coffee comes into the game.

A player like Spiller who has experience in all these positions would fill the three biggest holes in last years offense. Allowing Josh Morgan to be more effective in the passing game as a deep threat, giving the 49ers a more dynamic RB. And improve the field position with good returns and experience in fielding punts.
i would prefer to draft an O-liner over a RB even if i like spiller a lot. just for returns i think you'll find a lot of speedy guys in later round, whom you haven't to pay double-digit million sums just for guarantees.

don't understand the morgan-kick-return-yards per catch argument...you can not derive from a correlation a causality like you do here. i mean, there could be a lot of other factor for dropping of his ypc-numbers.

i am with you about battle's return abilities...those ones were terrible. hence, sing get rid of special teams coord., like i read.

you want to evaluate a rookie, who hasn't a lot of carries and had to run behind a line, whose run blocking ability is about high school? can you remember our game in phoenix? 1.gameday? do you remember of any "effort" by gore???
that was not the only game with a disastrous run offense...

you are right that we need a cut-move RB but we got a lot of much bigger needs to fill...last year, WR was one, not the biggest, but a major one. we got a lot of luck to get crabtree. and we drafted coffee.
so we don't lack at RB in general and imo drafting a RB in back-to-back years without any real cause isn't a really smart move, especially if we talk about a 1stround-pick and our needs.

like i know, we have some dudes called jason hill, domenik zeigler and brandon jones. i dont want to say that these guys will pull us to the superbowl but perhaps we should think about their abilities at first and give them a chance before we think about a RB who could play a slot receiver either.
Originally posted by tmg808:

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but what choice do we have? Have you seen the UFA list if there is no CBA? Its very short and not particularly impressive.

We have to fix the OL before we can possibly expect the offense to be functional. That most likely means we'll have to start two rookie OL. Its not ideal but its about the only option we have. Hoping for a fix in FA or praying next year is the year Baas finally plays well aren't very practical solutions.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by TX9R:
I knew we'd see this reaction after Chris Johnson's season, the next guy who came along the soonest who even slightly resembled him would be vastly overvalued. I'm not knocking Spiller, but you guys do realize there has NEVER been a player like Johnson in the league before right? Are we so taken with CJfever that we think another Chris Johnson is coming along so soon? We're talking about the fastest guy to ever enter the league who's actually football fast. Those don't just come along every year. For every Chris Johnson, there's 100 Reggie Bushes who got that hype and haven't been near as good.

Uh, really? Never ever?

Fastest player in the history of the combine, so no.

i dont think he ran faster than Bo Jackson or is as fast as Jackson was.
Signing Reggie bush sure would solve a lot of problems
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Signing Reggie bush sure would solve a lot of problems

Saints were second to last in punt return to the 49ers
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by krizay:
This is hilarious to me.


1ST round picks (especially for non playoff teams) should be spent on STARTERS or potential starters. Not an eventual starter (3 years from now)


When we get to the point where all of our starters are atleast adequate at their positions. Then so be it.


Also if Spiller was this great RB that every one's making him out to be. Then why aren't Seattle, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo and Jacksonville taking him?

When he runs a high 4.2-low 4.3 and goes top 10 I'll remind you of this post. (And I'd take Jacksonville off that list, what with them haveing MJD and all
)

Oh So we should take him even with Frank Gore. But Jacksonville is too good to take him with having MJD and no backup. Then look at their WR's. Spiller would help them more than us. With being able to play slot WR and all


Why would I care what Jacksonville does? We don't play them again for 3 seasons,
and they don't have two first round draft choices.

So you think we ought to pay first round money to two guys in the trenches. Last time I checked neither Jonathan Ogden or Anthony Munoz were coming out of college this year.

Can u enlighten us on how much $ a 13th pick and 17th pick earns per year? It's obvious you think it is alot. Show us the pay scale of NFL starters on the OL. Let's compare and see if your argument holds true.

[ Edited by kronik on Jan 7, 2010 at 21:44:27 ]
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by tmg808:

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but what choice do we have? Have you seen the UFA list if there is no CBA? Its very short and not particularly impressive.

We have to fix the OL before we can possibly expect the offense to be functional. That most likely means we'll have to start two rookie OL. Its not ideal but its about the only option we have. Hoping for a fix in FA or praying next year is the year Baas finally plays well aren't very practical solutions.

Maybe this poster thinks we should never draft a rookie OL starter ever. Good luck finding good starting OL in free agency buddy. LOL

[ Edited by kronik on Jan 7, 2010 at 21:46:33 ]
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Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by tmg808:

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but what choice do we have? Have you seen the UFA list if there is no CBA? Its very short and not particularly impressive.

We have to fix the OL before we can possibly expect the offense to be functional. That most likely means we'll have to start two rookie OL. Its not ideal but its about the only option we have. Hoping for a fix in FA or praying next year is the year Baas finally plays well aren't very practical solutions.

Maybe this poster thinks we should never draft a rookie OL starter ever. Good luck finding good starting OL in free agency buddy. LOL

This is not an argument about drafting a lineman this is an argument about using one draft pick on one player. The facts are on the original posting. It's a defense for one player. Offensive line is great but if there are not two really good OL available in the 1st round then why not get a really good player that fills a lot of needs. Most player rankings have only two offensive lineman ranked in their top 15 so why reach for a need. I think u get the best player available that can fit a need on the team.

Spiller adds speed to the offense (track guy second in the 100 in ACC last year.) A good RB,good receiver, and experienced returner of punts and kickoff (not just grabbing a guy thats fast and throwing him back there)

[ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 8, 2010 at 07:21:09 ]
Originally posted by tmg808:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by tmg808:

Do you want to stay in rebuilding mode?? Do you want to waist another season trying to start two rookie OL?? Did you see what happen to Jacksonville's passing game this year. There rookie Tackles couldn't handle pass protection in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, but what choice do we have? Have you seen the UFA list if there is no CBA? Its very short and not particularly impressive.

We have to fix the OL before we can possibly expect the offense to be functional. That most likely means we'll have to start two rookie OL. Its not ideal but its about the only option we have. Hoping for a fix in FA or praying next year is the year Baas finally plays well aren't very practical solutions.

Maybe this poster thinks we should never draft a rookie OL starter ever. Good luck finding good starting OL in free agency buddy. LOL

This is not an argument about drafting a lineman this is an argument about using one draft pick on one player. The facts are on the original posting. It's a defense for one player. Offensive line is great but if there are not two really good OL available in the 1st round then why not get a really good player that fills a lot of needs. Most player rankings have only two offensive lineman ranked in their top 15 so why reach for a need. I think u get the best player available that can fit a need on the team.

Spiller adds speed to the offense (track guy second in the 100 in ACC last year.) A good RB,good receiver, and experienced returner of punts and kickoff (not just grabbing a guy thats fast and throwing him back there)

So basically your argument is need vs BPA?

[ Edited by Overkill on Jan 8, 2010 at 08:27:28 ]