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Why not draft a RB in the First Round???

  • krizay
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Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.



Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.


Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.
  • dman
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.



Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.


Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.

Where are you getting these percentages? I see what you are saying but you assume a lot with those numbers.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by dman:
Originally posted by domesik:
Originally posted by dman:
Its not even about position, its about what the player actually does on the field.

I dont think we need to take just any RB but we should take a look at Spiller because he does things on the field that guys on our team can't do.

THIS.

PERFECT.

I think this pretty much sums up the pro Spiller argument.



Thanks, I just get sick of people talking about positions all the time like its fantasy football. If the guy fills a role that we need filled it doesn't matter what position he plays.

Sure it does if you can get another guy just as explosive who will be on the field 60 to 80% more of the time.

As would be the case with Bryant.


Or a guy who could contribute as much in other areas who would be on the field 60-80% more of the time. As would be the case with an Olineman or possibly Earl Thomas.

We can still get a speed back to play 20% of the offensive plays and KR/PR duties later on.

Where are you getting these percentages? I see what you are saying but you assume a lot with those numbers.

league average is like 60 plays a game or there abouts. 20% of that is 12 which is all I expect from a backup RB at best. So a starter getting 100% of the plays (60) or atleast 80% (48) is better than getting a guy playing 12 (20%)

Now obviously I have no idea how much anyone is going to play but obviously starter > Backup.
Originally posted by krizay:
So again, we would be drafting Spiller in hopes to become something we aren't.

no we woud be adding a player to our team who can do something for us nobody on our current roster could do. isnt that the point of drafting? to get better. it's not changing identity, as tho our identity is so clearly defined... my god did you even watch our season. it was a 17 week identity crisis.
Originally posted by GoFD74:

Something tells me that if we actually became more successful at running the ball (like, not just 1 yard up the gut and a cloud of dust 70% of the time), we might do it more often. Just a hunch based on what Singletary has been saying since day one.

So for me, it's a combination of addressing the o-line AND getting a back with home-run ability. Not just either/or.

so true...
how does a shaun hill lead offense count to four?








1st and 10
2nd and 9
3rd and 8...




...punt
Why not get Leon Washington for cheaper?
I'm only on board with a 1st round RB if it's Spiller b/c he will also fill the needs at KR/PR for us.
  • 49niners21
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if we had someone like spiller when gore was on the sideline and say spiller was in the opposite team would not no it was pass for sure.
when you have coffee in there everybody knows its a pass.
we need a better second RB.
  • tmg808
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A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd playing 13 weeks)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.
[ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM ]
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be, i get that a returner is a need but we can get one later in the draft for a lot cheaper, who knows maybe if Shipley or gilyard fall to the 2nd id be all for drafting them.
[ Edited by valrod33 on Jan 6, 2010 at 7:52 AM ]
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.
Originally posted by tmg808:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.

i have a question for you who do you consider to be a great return specialist thats currently in the NFL
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be

Cause a return specialist would get the second most touches on the team. He would have touched the ball more than the 2nd string RB, Vernon Davis, and Crabtree this year.

i have a question for you who do you consider to be a great return specialist thats currently in the NFL

The high draft pick argument can be used towards safety, it can be used towards guards, it can be used towards TEs, RB, pass rushers.

1 high draft pick that is great is Devin Hester, (that team went to the superbowl on his shoulders as a returner) he isn't used the same way now but he is a great return specialist when he is used that way. Deon Sanders was great. Tim Brown. They were great returners that also played great in there positions. Hershel Walker. These are people that did it year in year out. I think Spiller can be a return specialist that will have an effect in the offensive play calling. He proved to be effective in special teams, passing game, and rushing. He was Clemsons only weapon and never left the field. With such a low ranked offense why not draft a skill position player who can help all over the field??
[ Edited by tmg808 on Jan 6, 2010 at 8:34 AM ]
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A lot of people liked what Harvin did this year on offense, Spiller is capable of being the same type of player without the migraines.

Harvin (2008) vs Spiller (2009)

Rushing
Harvin 70 659yds
Spiller 216 1212yds

Receiving
Harvin 40 644yds
Spiller 36 503yds

Touchdowns
Harvin 17
Spiller 21
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by tmg808:
A Full time returner this year would have estimated as the second most touches on the team. (2008 Rossum was 3rd on the team)

Most Touches on the team this year.

PLAYER-------- RUSHING------RECEIVING----RET-----TOTAL
Frank Gore............229......................52................0................281
Glen Coffee............83.......................11...............0..................94
Vernon Davis...........0........................78...............0..................78

The 49ers had 60 Kickoff Returns and 49 Punt Returns. If Spiller was drafted he would be a full time Kick off Returner and would get 80% of returns (Cribbs 81%) and if he received all of the punt Returns. A full time returner this year would have touched the ball 97 times. Second on the team only to Frank Gore. Just as a returner he would get the ball in his hands that's not including what he is capable of in the pass and running game.

again why draft a return specialist in the first round, thats all he would be, i get that a returner is a need but we can get one later in the draft for a lot cheaper, who knows maybe if Shipley or gilyard fall to the 2nd id be all for drafting them.

This is where I disagree with the anti Spiller crowd. I believe that Spiller is MORE then a return specialist next year and can and would take over for Gore when the time comes.

Now Spiller would be a PR/KR, 3rd down back, on the field in 2 back sets (with Gore), slot reciever and in the future I believe he could be an everydown back. O yeah, he's good in blitz pickup as well.