Originally posted by GoFD74:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by GoFD74:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by GoFD74:Originally posted by tap11:Originally posted by kronik:
Why can't we use a 6th round pick on Trindin Holliday to solve the kick return issues? Why do we have to use a 1st? It's not like OL is our only hole. We also need some speed in our secondary and if you look at the NFL as a whole, great CB's are takened VERY EARLY in the drafts. It's very rare for a good CB to be selected in later rounds. You can get away with it if you run a tampa 2 style defense where your CB's don't need to have great speed but even those teams use high picks for their CB's (Aquib Tailb).
Amen brother. I really wish the lunacy of the "draft Spiller" mantra would disappear. I would love to get Holliday with a late pick, but drafting a rb in the first is poor value, and unrealistic (the brass doesn't seem interested, thank God).
That's what plenty of Titans fans thought when they drafted Chris Johnson, or when the Cowboys selected Felix Jones even though they already had a proven RB (Barber). You're right, you can typically get good RB value later in the draft....but you can't always get a RB that runs a 4.30, that also has the ability to catch passes out of the backfield, play in the slot and return kicks/punts. In other words, there's a reason why Spiller grades out as a 1st round back. He can do a lot of things that most backs can't, plus he's a high character guy.
Now, if all you care about is the 2010 needs, then sure...just blindly draft accordingly. But you don't know what will happen once the season starts...what if Frank gets hurt and you're stuck with Coffee to carry the load, or what if Spiller and Gore form a tandem that leads the league in rushing (which allows Alex to throw less), or what if Spiller becomes the next special teams star of the NFL????
I'm not saying we absolutely have to draft Spiller...I'm just saying, whoever does will not regret it (unlike the other 23 teams that passed on Chris Johnson). There are typically only a handful of playmakers like Spiller in every draft, and teams are learning the hard way that you'd better take them when you have the chance.
So IMO, there's nothing wrong with taking a RT and Spiller with our two 1st rounders. Both picks would have an impact far beyond just the 2010 season.
When Chris Johnson was drafted. I remember reading a quote saying the Titans planned on using him as a WR. Which was what they needed at the time. IUt just so hapens he was a beter runner then they gave him credit for.
Marion Barber had all of 3 starts prior to them drafting Jones. Granted he showed he could run but didn't show they he could be the workhorse as he was splitting time with J. Jones. With no interest in bringing back J. Jones. But even still their offense was a two back offense unlike ours.
Originally posted by teeohh:
look at Stewart and Williams in Carolina, both rushed for over 1000 yards this season both were 1st round picks
Same thing with the Stewart selection. Carolina already ran a two back offense with DeShaun and DeAngelo. With no interest in bringing back DeShaun.
If we were a running team and the RB's was the reason we aren't successful running the ball then I could understand the want of Spiller. But unlike the players/team mentioned in these 2 posts that's not what our offense is. Nor are we a perennial playoff team.
The best comparison would be Vikes with Chester Taylor drafting AD, Saints drafting Bush with Duece and Jags drafting MJD with Fred Taylor. These 3 teams were 1 back teams that had a RB and drafted one anyway.
But Spiller is no AD or Bush. Plus Frank Gore isn't as close to the end as Duece or Fred Taylor.
But even you know that the best running teams in the NFL now have two featured backs...I'm not saying Coffee can't be that guy, but I personally have my doubts that he makes people worry like Frank does. I honestly believe that if we drafted a speed back to compliment Gore, not only would it help to keep Frankie fresher, but it would move us closer to becoming what Singletary wants the offense to be.
Listen, I understand why people are afraid to take a chance on a guy like Spiller...there's only one Chris Johnson, what if he turns into Reggie Bush, we have bigger needs, etc., etc., etc. I really do get that. I just think that one of the biggest problems we have is a lack of speed to threaten the edge.
Frank does a great job of running between the tackles and breaking off the long one on occasion, but neither he or Coffee have the ability to take a pitch and quickly get to the edge and beyond. That's just not their games. Because of that, teams can stack the middle (as they do) and force us to play smash mouth.
With a back like Spiller or Best, we can open up so many more things...not just in the run game but in the passing game as well.
I also understand what you're saying. I also agree we need speed in the backfield. I however disagree about the whole opening other things up bit. If said RB was going to be the main back I would agree. Cause he would be on the field nearly all game. But a part time back lucky to get 10 carries isn't going to change a defense. Except maybe perhaps when he's on the field. Which the defense can easily adjust for.
I know Sing wants us to be this running team but we aren't that yet. Could Spiller help us be that. Sure! But everything you said he would help out in the passing game would be negated by Smith's inability to operate out of said system.
If Smith's going to be our QB then it should be an easy no on Spiller. It just doesn't match what we do. If we suddenly become a successful running team and get a QB who can operate in a 2 back set then I see no problem with drafting a RB this early.
As it stands now! Doesn't fit what we are.
I'm sorry, but if was the coaching staff, I wouldn't plan anything (especially who I drafted) long-term around Alex Smith and his skill-set. That would be insane. If I had a chance to get a speed back like Spiller (or even Best), I would find a way to work that guy in along with Frank to make my team more effective. Sure, I'd tweak some things to take advantage of what Smith does well, but hell no would I draft (and pass up talent) with his limited skills in mind.
That makes absolutely no sense to me.
I see what you're saying and as a fan I see where you're coming from. I actually should even agree with you. Which I do to a point. But in a what have you done for me lately league. You have to do what's best for your team NOW! As you (and other pieces) may not be here in the future.
While I agree you don't have to draft for need. I also think you can't draft in hopes you can be what you aren't.