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OFFICIAL Senior Bowl 2010

It never ceases to amaze me that someone can have a mediocre or average season, then do well in a bowl game and/or at the combine, and their "stock rises". Shouldn't an entire year's worth of play carry more weight? Reminds me of the guys who play well their contract year, but disappear thereafter. (Hoping Aubrayo doesn't pull that!)
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Just an observation...not saying Iupati can't play RT in the NFL, but I'm not entirely sure that putting him out there is the best idea. Maybe he just needs to work on his technique, but he definitely seemed to lose leverage quickly in space a few times and was tossed aside like a rag doll by Tyson Alualu on one rep as an OT. He also didn't show the quick feet necessary to hold up against edge rushers. On the other hand, he was a stone wall when lined up inside during the drills.

Again, not a conclusion by any stretch, just an observation.

I know he is the darling of the Zone but I would pass on him. I think its smarter to draft a pure OT ( Bulaga, Davis, or Williams) and Spiller in round 1. It looks like there could be a couple of solid OGs in round 2 available for us. It just seems like much better value.

If Jon Asamoah continues to be solid through the Senior Bowl and the Combine, we could see Iupati probably fall to the 2nd round, especially if he doesn't show the quick feet and technique to play RT. If that's the case, I'm with you on selecting Bulaga and Spiller. If Iupati does well in the game and the combine, then I would go Bulaga and Iupati.

I personally don't see Iupati falling to the 2nd round....he's too good of a guard for that to happen. Someone in the latter part of round 1 (Dallas, AZ, Philly, etc.) will happily scoop him up before he gets to the 2nd.

I understand what your saying and I still want to select him with the 16/17 pick. I guess I'm just dreaming a little bit.
I would like to add that after being blasted for saying Iupati is overrated and would get a lot of holding calls against him was confirmed by Mayock

Mayock said while he loves Iupati, he lacks a punch and goes for a hold instead. Saying in one of his games Iupati could of easily been called for holding at least 13 times
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Just an observation...not saying Iupati can't play RT in the NFL, but I'm not entirely sure that putting him out there is the best idea. Maybe he just needs to work on his technique, but he definitely seemed to lose leverage quickly in space a few times and was tossed aside like a rag doll by Tyson Alualu on one rep as an OT. He also didn't show the quick feet necessary to hold up against edge rushers. On the other hand, he was a stone wall when lined up inside during the drills.

Again, not a conclusion by any stretch, just an observation.

I know he is the darling of the Zone but I would pass on him. I think its smarter to draft a pure OT ( Bulaga, Davis, or Williams) and Spiller in round 1. It looks like there could be a couple of solid OGs in round 2 available for us. It just seems like much better value.



I think we should wait to pass judgement until after the senior bowl. And who cares how well he plays at OT, we wouldn't use him at OT, we would put him at G. I actually hope he doesn't play well at OT, because that would raise his stock more.

How would playing bad at OT raise his stock?

clearly he meant playing well at OT would raise his stock, thats why he doesn't want him to.


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Originally posted by 4evrfan:
It never ceases to amaze me that someone can have a mediocre or average season, then do well in a bowl game and/or at the combine, and their "stock rises". Shouldn't an entire year's worth of play carry more weight? Reminds me of the guys who play well their contract year, but disappear thereafter. (Hoping Aubrayo doesn't pull that!)

You have to look at context. Sometimes, a player is in a scheme/system where he's not necessarily going to stand out on a game-by-game basis. Sometimes a guy is dealing with injuries and struggles to get healthy...it could be any number of things that keep that player from standing out and/or being productive.

The flip side is, some college football players put up huge numbers and are crazily productive on a consistent basis (see Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, etc.), but that doesn't mean their game/skills translates well to the next level.

However, if a guy explodes or shines on a bigger stage (like a bowl game), or competes well along side other players that are considered the best of the best (Senior Bowl, combine, pro days, etc.) it shows you the "potential" of that player in comparison to others that are being evaluated.

Coming up big in bowl games or at the combine shouldn't be the only factor in player evaluation (and it isn't), but it does contribute pretty heavily.
Originally posted by 4evrfan:
It never ceases to amaze me that someone can have a mediocre or average season, then do well in a bowl game and/or at the combine, and their "stock rises". Shouldn't an entire year's worth of play carry more weight? Reminds me of the guys who play well their contract year, but disappear thereafter. (Hoping Aubrayo doesn't pull that!)

The difference is the level of competition. Take a look at some college teams' schedules (Texas comes to mind) and you see that they have a bunch of tackling dummies on their non-conference schedule to build up their overall record. The All Star games and practices give scouts a better idea of who these players are or could become. I know it doesn't seem right, but it is what it is.
Draftbreakdown tweeted that Tebow has strep throat as is out today. Sounds more like his struggles are making him realize that he'll struggle as an NFL QB.
I thought Kyle Wilson looked very good in 1-on-1 drills. Very physical & great anticipation of the recievers routes.
Originally posted by DesiDez:
Draftbreakdown tweeted that Tebow has strep throat as is out today. Sounds more like his struggles are making him realize that he'll struggle as an NFL QB.

Espn said he will continue and participate
at least that's how I understood it
Originally posted by DesiDez:
Draftbreakdown tweeted that Tebow has strep throat as is out today. Sounds more like his struggles are making him realize that he'll struggle as an NFL QB.

Everyone knows that Tebow will probably have to sit a couple years to basically learn how to run a pro style offense. Despite the fumbles and inaccurate passes, he was coach-able and very vocal on what he needed to do to get better. A team will definitely take a shot with him in the 2nd round.
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Originally posted by tohara3:
I thought Kyle Wilson looked very good in 1-on-1 drills. Very physical & great anticipation of the recievers routes.

Kyle Wilson's stock is really rising. He might jump into the first round with the performance he's having this week.
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Just an observation...not saying Iupati can't play RT in the NFL, but I'm not entirely sure that putting him out there is the best idea. Maybe he just needs to work on his technique, but he definitely seemed to lose leverage quickly in space a few times and was tossed aside like a rag doll by Tyson Alualu on one rep as an OT. He also didn't show the quick feet necessary to hold up against edge rushers. On the other hand, he was a stone wall when lined up inside during the drills.

Again, not a conclusion by any stretch, just an observation.

I know he is the darling of the Zone but I would pass on him. I think its smarter to draft a pure OT ( Bulaga, Davis, or Williams) and Spiller in round 1. It looks like there could be a couple of solid OGs in round 2 available for us. It just seems like much better value.



I think we should wait to pass judgement until after the senior bowl. And who cares how well he plays at OT, we wouldn't use him at OT, we would put him at G. I actually hope he doesn't play well at OT, because that would raise his stock more.

How would playing bad at OT raise his stock?

clearly he meant playing well at OT would raise his stock, thats why he doesn't want him to.


That

Ok got it
clearly I read it wrong
but if he did play well at OT then selecting him at 16/17 would be more realistic and not as big of a reach
Originally posted by smileyman:
Originally posted by tohara3:
I thought Kyle Wilson looked very good in 1-on-1 drills. Very physical & great anticipation of the recievers routes.

Kyle Wilson's stock is really rising. He might jump into the first round with the performance he's having this week.

He looks like a blanket out there. Sticking to the receivers. Very impressive.
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Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
Draftbreakdown tweeted that Tebow has strep throat as is out today. Sounds more like his struggles are making him realize that he'll struggle as an NFL QB.

Espn said he will continue and participate
at least that's how I understood it

Just watching Tebow practice now. He has the slowest release ever. Arm doesn't seem that great either as the ball is always wobbling. I sure hope we don't draft this guy.
Originally posted by NinerFan1979:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
Draftbreakdown tweeted that Tebow has strep throat as is out today. Sounds more like his struggles are making him realize that he'll struggle as an NFL QB.

Espn said he will continue and participate
at least that's how I understood it

Just watching Tebow practice now. He has the slowest release ever. Arm doesn't seem that great either as the ball is always wobbling. I sure hope we don't draft this guy.

Agree