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Call me Crazy-First 17 v 2.0

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by mayo63:
If Jacksonville took Tebow at #10, I'd laugh my ass off.

I expect a major reach with him.

Regardless of Tebow’s actual talents, his persona and star power may be too compelling for him to last through the entire first round. We already know that Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver has stated publicly his interest in drafting Tebow, the hometown kid.

“Star power is incredible, and Tebow is an iconic figure,” Weaver said in September. “That’s very compelling. He clearly is an outstanding football player and would be an asset to any football organization.”

This move (JAX drafting tebow with the #10) would rank right up there with the Raiders drafting DHB last year, a real bad move. No value whatsoever.

This is purely a save the franchise for the city of Jacksonville draft choice. Tebow is nowhere near ready to be a NFL QB. He has horrible mechanics and it will require a couple of years under a good QB coach to turn him into a NFL QB.

JAX needs a Pass Rusher in the worst possible way and I would expect them to draft one with their first pick. If they really want to draft Tebow they could get him late in the 1st by trading back up with their 2nd and a 4th to get him, or just wait and get him with their 2nd round pick, #42.

With this kind of mock I go "no trades".
[ Edited by jreff22 on Jan 4, 2010 at 1:41 PM ]
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Drafting Iupati with our second 1st is not a reach, especially because he looks like such a sure thing. We've had plenty of trouble with our interior line as well, not just Snyder.

At this point Williams makes the best candidate for ROT. Iupati is in the group as well but I need to see him in the Senior Bowl and Combine before he leapfrogs Williams.

Just not sure Trent Williams will be around when we pick. I really think the best approach will be to re-sign Tony Pashos to another 1 year deal to start at RT and draft a young development guy like Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis or even Charles Brown. Have the young guy sit and learn for a little bit, then eventually take over.

I think Williams will have the Oher issue and slip a bit. Keeping Pashos is a good idea and I'm 100% for it, I want to see Williams beat him out for the starting spot.

I would love for Williams to have the Oher issue...that would be a dream come true!!!!

Ghost, how do you see Williams as a prospect? I remember a month ago everyone was ripping him as the most overrated prospect alive, now all of a sudden everyone is crazy about him. How do you think his talent compares to Iaputi's?

I wasn't one of the guys ripping him...I can tell you that. He reminds me a lot of the Cardinals Levi Brown (they took him 5th overall in 2007). I don't think Williams has the overall upside that guys like Davis or Campbell have, but he's definitely more polished and can be plugged in right away at either LT, RT or even in the interior in a pinch. That kind of versatility and talent will make it very hard for teams starved for OT help in the top ten, to pass on Williams.

Bottom line, I think Williams will be a starting lineman (likely to settle in at RT) in the NFL for years, and is as safe a pick as there is in the draft.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Drafting Iupati with our second 1st is not a reach, especially because he looks like such a sure thing. We've had plenty of trouble with our interior line as well, not just Snyder.

At this point Williams makes the best candidate for ROT. Iupati is in the group as well but I need to see him in the Senior Bowl and Combine before he leapfrogs Williams.

Just not sure Trent Williams will be around when we pick. I really think the best approach will be to re-sign Tony Pashos to another 1 year deal to start at RT and draft a young development guy like Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis or even Charles Brown. Have the young guy sit and learn for a little bit, then eventually take over.

I think Williams will have the Oher issue and slip a bit. Keeping Pashos is a good idea and I'm 100% for it, I want to see Williams beat him out for the starting spot.

I would love for Williams to have the Oher issue...that would be a dream come true!!!! I just can't see it happening, not with the OT needs that Detroit, KC, Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo have.

We agree on one major point....the needs for OT's by the early teams. That's what scares me about waiting till the 2nd. The 2nd tier guys that people have us going after (Fox for instance) can be a dangerous gamble. If they are sitting and available for us great...but if a run at OT starts early we will be left with 0.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Drafting Iupati with our second 1st is not a reach, especially because he looks like such a sure thing. We've had plenty of trouble with our interior line as well, not just Snyder.

At this point Williams makes the best candidate for ROT. Iupati is in the group as well but I need to see him in the Senior Bowl and Combine before he leapfrogs Williams.

Just not sure Trent Williams will be around when we pick. I really think the best approach will be to re-sign Tony Pashos to another 1 year deal to start at RT and draft a young development guy like Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis or even Charles Brown. Have the young guy sit and learn for a little bit, then eventually take over.

I think Williams will have the Oher issue and slip a bit. Keeping Pashos is a good idea and I'm 100% for it, I want to see Williams beat him out for the starting spot.

I would love for Williams to have the Oher issue...that would be a dream come true!!!! I just can't see it happening, not with the OT needs that Detroit, KC, Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo have.

We agree on one major point....the needs for OT's by the early teams. That's what scares me about waiting till the 2nd. The 2nd tier guys that people have us going after (Fox for instance) can be a dangerous gamble. If they are sitting and available for us great...but if a run at OT starts early we will be left with 0.

If Bryan Bulaga comes out, that will really help our situation....I think at least one of three highly-rated OTs (Bruce Campbell, Bulaga and Charles Brown) will likely be available to us by the 13th pick, so we should be in good shape even if we don't have a shot at guys like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis.
[ Edited by GoFD74 on Jan 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM ]
[ Edited by ktate14 on Jan 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM ]
Originally posted by JD81:
Any mock that has us taking CJ Spiller makes me happy....

This. After he runs the 40 at the combine, folks will change their tune.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Drafting Iupati with our second 1st is not a reach, especially because he looks like such a sure thing. We've had plenty of trouble with our interior line as well, not just Snyder.

At this point Williams makes the best candidate for ROT. Iupati is in the group as well but I need to see him in the Senior Bowl and Combine before he leapfrogs Williams.

Just not sure Trent Williams will be around when we pick. I really think the best approach will be to re-sign Tony Pashos to another 1 year deal to start at RT and draft a young development guy like Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis or even Charles Brown. Have the young guy sit and learn for a little bit, then eventually take over.

I think Williams will have the Oher issue and slip a bit. Keeping Pashos is a good idea and I'm 100% for it, I want to see Williams beat him out for the starting spot.

I would love for Williams to have the Oher issue...that would be a dream come true!!!! I just can't see it happening, not with the OT needs that Detroit, KC, Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo have.

We agree on one major point....the needs for OT's by the early teams. That's what scares me about waiting till the 2nd. The 2nd tier guys that people have us going after (Fox for instance) can be a dangerous gamble. If they are sitting and available for us great...but if a run at OT starts early we will be left with 0.

If Bryan Bulaga comes out, that will really help our situation....I think at least one of three highly-rated OTs (Bruce Campbell, Bulaga and Charles Brown) will likely be available to us by the 13th pick, so we should be in good shape even if we don't have a shot at guys like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis.

Bulaga's injury past worries me a bit.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by mayo63:
If Jacksonville took Tebow at #10, I'd laugh my ass off.

I expect a major reach with him.

Regardless of Tebow’s actual talents, his persona and star power may be too compelling for him to last through the entire first round. We already know that Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver has stated publicly his interest in drafting Tebow, the hometown kid.

“Star power is incredible, and Tebow is an iconic figure,” Weaver said in September. “That’s very compelling. He clearly is an outstanding football player and would be an asset to any football organization.”

could be blowing smoke. most teams do that. the only time i remember the niners picking who everyone thought they would take before the draft was VD.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by mayo63:
If Jacksonville took Tebow at #10, I'd laugh my ass off.

I expect a major reach with him.

Regardless of Tebow’s actual talents, his persona and star power may be too compelling for him to last through the entire first round. We already know that Jacksonville Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver has stated publicly his interest in drafting Tebow, the hometown kid.

“Star power is incredible, and Tebow is an iconic figure,” Weaver said in September. “That’s very compelling. He clearly is an outstanding football player and would be an asset to any football organization.”

could be blowing smoke. most teams do that. the only time i remember the niners picking who everyone thought they would take before the draft was VD.

This time there are financial implications that can save the team from being moved out of FL, I think they are being very serious.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Drafting Iupati with our second 1st is not a reach, especially because he looks like such a sure thing. We've had plenty of trouble with our interior line as well, not just Snyder.

At this point Williams makes the best candidate for ROT. Iupati is in the group as well but I need to see him in the Senior Bowl and Combine before he leapfrogs Williams.

Just not sure Trent Williams will be around when we pick. I really think the best approach will be to re-sign Tony Pashos to another 1 year deal to start at RT and draft a young development guy like Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis or even Charles Brown. Have the young guy sit and learn for a little bit, then eventually take over.

I think Williams will have the Oher issue and slip a bit. Keeping Pashos is a good idea and I'm 100% for it, I want to see Williams beat him out for the starting spot.

I would love for Williams to have the Oher issue...that would be a dream come true!!!! I just can't see it happening, not with the OT needs that Detroit, KC, Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo have.

We agree on one major point....the needs for OT's by the early teams. That's what scares me about waiting till the 2nd. The 2nd tier guys that people have us going after (Fox for instance) can be a dangerous gamble. If they are sitting and available for us great...but if a run at OT starts early we will be left with 0.

If Bryan Bulaga comes out, that will really help our situation....I think at least one of three highly-rated OTs (Bruce Campbell, Bulaga and Charles Brown) will likely be available to us by the 13th pick, so we should be in good shape even if we don't have a shot at guys like Trent Williams or Anthony Davis.

Bulaga's injury past worries me a bit.

Me too somewhat, but I think the thyroid situation is under control. He'll have his hands full with Derrick Morgan tomorrow night, so we'll see what both players are all about then.
[ Edited by GoFD74 on Jan 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM ]
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Mike Iupati, G, Idaho. There is a lot of intrigue about him. He is no doubt an elite prospect who will be a first-round pick because of his size, strength, aggressiveness and athleticism. NFL personnel men want to see his athleticism in person to figure out if he can play tackle in the NFL. Nearly every scout who has evaluated Iupati on film says he has the footwork and athleticism to be an NFL left tackle. If he shines in the bowl game and during Senior Bowl drills, he could challenge Oklahoma State's Russell Okung and Oklahoma's Trent Williams to be the first offensive lineman drafted.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-29/bowl-draft-prospects-ross-iupati-strive-join-suh-first-round
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Mike Iupati, G, Idaho. There is a lot of intrigue about him. He is no doubt an elite prospect who will be a first-round pick because of his size, strength, aggressiveness and athleticism. NFL personnel men want to see his athleticism in person to figure out if he can play tackle in the NFL. Nearly every scout who has evaluated Iupati on film says he has the footwork and athleticism to be an NFL left tackle. If he shines in the bowl game and during Senior Bowl drills, he could challenge Oklahoma State's Russell Okung and Oklahoma's Trent Williams to be the first offensive lineman drafted.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-29/bowl-draft-prospects-ross-iupati-strive-join-suh-first-round

I wanted the Niners to draft him...
Wow we pass on McClain and Haden to take Trent Williams????

If Seattle walked away with Davis and Haden I'm going to kill somebody.
  • Jcool
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Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would've taken Joe Haden over Trent Williams.

Would you rather have Haden and sit Clements....or Williams and sit Snyder?

I'd rather have the best cover corner in this draft to help with our secondary overall, take Iupati with our second 1st rounder, and draft a RT like Jason Fox in the 2nd.

You're speculating on 2 points:
1) That Iupati will still be available and can actually play RT, drafting Iupati that high for OG is a reach
2) That Fox is available in the 2nd

After watching Snyder get destroyed all day on Sunday I have come to the same conclusion as MD, we NEED a RT now!

Mike Iupati, G, Idaho. There is a lot of intrigue about him. He is no doubt an elite prospect who will be a first-round pick because of his size, strength, aggressiveness and athleticism. NFL personnel men want to see his athleticism in person to figure out if he can play tackle in the NFL. Nearly every scout who has evaluated Iupati on film says he has the footwork and athleticism to be an NFL left tackle. If he shines in the bowl game and during Senior Bowl drills, he could challenge Oklahoma State's Russell Okung and Oklahoma's Trent Williams to be the first offensive lineman drafted.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-29/bowl-draft-prospects-ross-iupati-strive-join-suh-first-round

I wanted the Niners to draft him...

well they have a chance to
why wouldnt the niners just trade up to jax spot to grab berry and then jax can take tebow at 13 + more draft picks.


i would love berry on the niners as the FS and the human missle as the SS