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Prosepective Draft Day Trade

Would the following trade be worth it to us and to a prospective team?

Would you trade our first 1st round draft pick, and Balmer, and Harolson for Suh?

Suh would give us a DT to match J. Smith. It would clear the way for Books to take Harolson's place, and would still keep our Dline intact, with Sop backing up Franklin or Suh. With Balmer out it would free up RJF/McDonald to develop as well.

I think it would benefit either the Rams or Detroit to get 1-2 quality players and a high draft pick.

Would both teams benefit and would it be enough, and still not significantly interfere with our team's development?
[ Edited by Ninefan56 on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM ]
No, that's 3 players two of which are starters for an unproven commodity.
That is true but would the risk reward be enough to make the trade?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
That is true but would the risk reward be enough to make the trade?

Even though Suh is a MONSTER we have some holes needing to be filled and I don't want to write off Balmer just yet.
I don't want to write off Balmer either but if I could I would trade Balmer for Suh in a heart beat. If I could trade straight up it would be better yet and hold on to the draft pick. If I could trade Balmer and Harolson straight up for the draft pick for Suh, I would do it in a heart beat as well.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
I don't want to write off Balmer either but if I could I would trade Balmer for Suh in a heart beat. If I could trade straight up it would be better yet and hold on to the draft pick. If I could trade Balmer and Harolson straight up for the draft pick for Suh, I would do it in a heart beat as well.

IF you run the numbers trading #11 pick for either #1 or #2 overall the the gap is massive. Even adding in Balmer (a current depth guy) and Haralson a non double digit sack "specialist" the value isn't there IMO.
No one in their right mind would take that deal. Balmer and Haraylson are not that good.
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
No one in their right mind would take that deal. Balmer and Haraylson are not that good.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
No one in their right mind would take that deal. Balmer and Haralson are not that good.
The value may not be there but 1 starter, and up and coming potential starter, and a first round pick is still a lot of players. If someone would accept the trade would it benefit us?
maybe this years first and next yers first
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would the following trade be worth it to us and to a prospective team?

Would you trade our first 1st round draft pick, and Balmer, and Harolson for Suh?

Suh would give us a DT to match J. Smith. It would clear the way for Books to take Harolson's place, and would still keep our Dline intact, with Sop backing up Franklin or Suh. With Balmer out it would free up RJF/McDonald to develop as well.

I think it would benefit either the Rams or Detroit to get 1-2 quality players and a high draft pick.

Would both teams benefit and would it be enough, and still not significantly interfere with our team's development?


Let's start with the premise of the Bucs having Suh on the board when they draft. It is not going to happen. The Bucs are currently drafting fourth overall, and Suh will be long gone. The earliest the Buc could select is 3rd, and with the Rams and Lions on the clock with some of the worst starting DT tandems in the NFL, Suh is going to be in St. Louis or Detroit.

However, let's just go with the hypothetical that he is on the board. The Niners' offer wouldn't be enough. Not even close.

First, Balmer isn't even a starter. So, I don't know why the Bucs would have any interest. On the market, he might generate a 5th round draft choice as a situational backup DT. Second, Haralson has not played at a high level in 2009, and would probably only warrant a fifth rounder in a trade as a situation backup DE. He's not starting material in the NFL.

So, our 12th overall, and two fifth rounders (hypothetical) wouldn't even be close to the value the Bucs would want for their selection.

You have to remember that the Bucs have the 30th overall run defense in the NFL, so it wouldn't make sense for them to give up one of the best DT prospects in the last decade for two backups and the 12th overall?

I guess you'd have to ask yourself, "If you were a Bucs fans, would you want that trade?"
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Dec 29, 2009 at 1:16 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would the following trade be worth it to us and to a prospective team?

Would you trade our first 1st round draft pick, and Balmer, and Harolson for Suh?

Suh would give us a DT to match J. Smith. It would clear the way for Books to take Harolson's place, and would still keep our Dline intact, with Sop backing up Franklin or Suh. With Balmer out it would free up RJF/McDonald to develop as well.

I think it would benefit either the Rams or Detroit to get 1-2 quality players and a high draft pick.

Would both teams benefit and would it be enough, and still not significantly interfere with our team's development?


Let's start with the premise of the Bucs having Suh on the board when they draft. It is not going to happen. The Bucs are currently drafting fourth overall, and Suh will be long gone. The earliest the Buc could select is 3rd, and with the Rams and Lions on the clock with some of the worst starting DT tandems in the NFL, Suh is going to be in St. Louis or Detroit.

However, let's just go with the hypothetical that he is on the board. The Niners' offer wouldn't be enough. Not even close.

First, Balmer isn't even a starter. So, I don't know why the Bucs would have any interest. On the market, he might generate a 5th round draft choice as a situational backup DT. Second, Haralson has not played at a high level in 2009, and would probably only warrant a fifth rounder in a trade as a situation backup DE. He's not starting material in the NFL.

So, our 12th overall, and two fifth rounders (hypothetical) wouldn't even be close to the value the Bucs would want for their selection.

You have to remember that the Bucs have the 30th overall run defense in the NFL.


Since we are talking hypothetically here is there anyone else we could throw into the pot to make it sweet enought to get Suh? Would these two players, and one more hurt our team so much that we could not progress? Who would that player be that would put it over the top? Would you add Sop to the mix to get it done, and if so would it be giving up too much to get Suh?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would the following trade be worth it to us and to a prospective team?

Would you trade our first 1st round draft pick, and Balmer, and Harolson for Suh?

Suh would give us a DT to match J. Smith. It would clear the way for Books to take Harolson's place, and would still keep our Dline intact, with Sop backing up Franklin or Suh. With Balmer out it would free up RJF/McDonald to develop as well.

I think it would benefit either the Rams or Detroit to get 1-2 quality players and a high draft pick.

Would both teams benefit and would it be enough, and still not significantly interfere with our team's development?


Let's start with the premise of the Bucs having Suh on the board when they draft. It is not going to happen. The Bucs are currently drafting fourth overall, and Suh will be long gone. The earliest the Buc could select is 3rd, and with the Rams and Lions on the clock with some of the worst starting DT tandems in the NFL, Suh is going to be in St. Louis or Detroit.

However, let's just go with the hypothetical that he is on the board. The Niners' offer wouldn't be enough. Not even close.

First, Balmer isn't even a starter. So, I don't know why the Bucs would have any interest. On the market, he might generate a 5th round draft choice as a situational backup DT. Second, Haralson has not played at a high level in 2009, and would probably only warrant a fifth rounder in a trade as a situation backup DE. He's not starting material in the NFL.

So, our 12th overall, and two fifth rounders (hypothetical) wouldn't even be close to the value the Bucs would want for their selection.

You have to remember that the Bucs have the 30th overall run defense in the NFL.


Since we are talking hypothetically here is there anyone else we could throw into the pot to make it sweet enought to get Suh? Would these two players, and one more hurt our team so much that we could not progress? Who would that player be that would put it over the top? Would you add Sop to the mix to get it done, and if so would it be giving up too much to get Suh?

Even if you added Soap, it wouldn't be enough.

To get this done, you'd need to send Michael Crabtree or Joe Staley and the 12th overall. The team is simply not going to be interested in many players on our roster outside of these guys and Willis.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would the following trade be worth it to us and to a prospective team?

Would you trade our first 1st round draft pick, and Balmer, and Harolson for Suh?

Suh would give us a DT to match J. Smith. It would clear the way for Books to take Harolson's place, and would still keep our Dline intact, with Sop backing up Franklin or Suh. With Balmer out it would free up RJF/McDonald to develop as well.

I think it would benefit either the Rams or Detroit to get 1-2 quality players and a high draft pick.

Would both teams benefit and would it be enough, and still not significantly interfere with our team's development?


Let's start with the premise of the Bucs having Suh on the board when they draft. It is not going to happen. The Bucs are currently drafting fourth overall, and Suh will be long gone. The earliest the Buc could select is 3rd, and with the Rams and Lions on the clock with some of the worst starting DT tandems in the NFL, Suh is going to be in St. Louis or Detroit.

However, let's just go with the hypothetical that he is on the board. The Niners' offer wouldn't be enough. Not even close.

First, Balmer isn't even a starter. So, I don't know why the Bucs would have any interest. On the market, he might generate a 5th round draft choice as a situational backup DT. Second, Haralson has not played at a high level in 2009, and would probably only warrant a fifth rounder in a trade as a situation backup DE. He's not starting material in the NFL.

So, our 12th overall, and two fifth rounders (hypothetical) wouldn't even be close to the value the Bucs would want for their selection.

You have to remember that the Bucs have the 30th overall run defense in the NFL.


Since we are talking hypothetically here is there anyone else we could throw into the pot to make it sweet enought to get Suh? Would these two players, and one more hurt our team so much that we could not progress? Who would that player be that would put it over the top? Would you add Sop to the mix to get it done, and if so would it be giving up too much to get Suh?

Even if you added Soap, it wouldn't be enough.

To get this done, you'd need to send Michael Crabtree or Joe Staley and the 12th overall. The team is simply not going to be interested in many players on our roster outside of these guys and Willis.

What if we throw in Boone (future HOFer) and Wilhelm (Patrick Willis clone)?