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Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jta854:
I know he is a middle round guy, but I would like the OG Carter from Texas Tech. I just think our oline could use a d**khead like him.

I wouldn't mind him at all.


FYI, Everybody -- CB Haden Enters Draft: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4792743

Would Iupati at RT and Carter at RG but effective?

I'd prefer Iupati at LG, Carter/Rachal at RG, and someone else at RT.
Would Fox be a quality RT for us?
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Originally posted by jta854:
I know he is a middle round guy, but I would like the OG Carter from Texas Tech. I just think our oline could use a d**khead like him.

I wasn't impressed with Carter's quickness or speed against MSU. He is just a big mauler. The 49ers need quickness at guard. Baas is definitely NOT quick. Rachal is better but if Baas walks, his replacement needs to be quicker than Rachal.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would Fox be a quality RT for us?

I think so, but I doubt we'd wait until the 2nd round to address OT.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would Fox be a quality RT for us?

I think so, but I doubt we'd wait until the 2nd round to address OT.

If we took Iupati in the first nd Graham in the first and Fox in the second or third would that work out for us?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would Fox be a quality RT for us?

I think so, but I doubt we'd wait until the 2nd round to address OT.

If we took Iupati in the first nd Graham in the first and Fox in the second or third would that work out for us?

I personally think that would work. The issues is, what the team wants to do with Baas and how they felt Rachal progressed in his first full year as a starter. If there is no CBA, Baas will be very affordable as a 1-year tendered RFA. If they think he performed well enough to get 1 more year, I highly doubt they invest a mid-1st rounder in Iupati to play LG, especially if they also feel that Rachal has a future as the starting RG. In other words, they'll just re-sign Bass for a 1 year and keep the middle of the line intact (hoping that continuity will help improve the performance), and use one of those 1st rounders on a RT.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Would Fox be a quality RT for us?

I think so, but I doubt we'd wait until the 2nd round to address OT.

If we took Iupati in the first nd Graham in the first and Fox in the second or third would that work out for us?

I personally think that would work. The issues is, what the team wants to do with Baas and how they felt Rachal progressed in his first full year as a starter. If there is no CBA, Baas will be very affordable as a 1-year tendered RFA. If they think he performed well enough to get 1 more year, I highly doubt they invest a mid-1st rounder in Iupati to play LG, especially if they also feel that Rachal has a future as the starting RG. In other words, they'll just re-sign Bass for a 1 year and keep the middle of the line intact (hoping that continuity will help improve the performance), and use one of those 1st rounders on a RT.

I wouldn't mind signing Baas to a 1 year extension. If the Niners did grab a LG in the draft, they could have an open competition. If the rookie beats Baas in TC, they've got depth. If the rookie isn't ready to start, use Baas and work the rookie in slowly.

I can see the same thing with Tony Pashos and a rookie RT, no matter where he's drafted.
In terms of prospects for tonight's Fiesta Bowl, I'm obviously looking forward to seeing Jerry Hughes do his thing against Kellen Moore tonight. But I'm also excited to see how BSU's CB Kyle Wilson holds up against TCU's Andy Dalton. Right now, Wilson is seen as a 3rd round CB with excellent punt return skills. However, if he can hold his own against Dalton (the 5th rated passer in college football) on a national stage, he could definitely improve his draft stock.
Originally posted by GoFD74:
In terms of prospects for tonight's Fiesta Bowl, I'm obviously looking forward to seeing Jerry Hughes do his thing against Kellen Moore tonight. But I'm also excited to see how BSU's CB Kyle Wilson holds up against TCU's Andy Dalton. Right now, Wilson is seen as a 3rd round CB with excellent punt return skills. However, if he can hold his own against Dalton (the 5th rated passer in college football) on a national stage, he could definitely improve his draft stock.

If he's available in the 3rd, that looks like it'd be a really strong value pick. After reading the scouting report on him from NFLDraftScout, I found this to be interesting though:

Quote:
Run Support: Plays with a cover corner mentality and too rarely involves himself in run support. Has only averaged seven solo tackles a season in three years as a starter, despite posting 117 total tackles through his junior season. Flashes physicality as a hitter, but is typically more of a duck-and-swipe tackler who has taken advantage of unsuspecting and defenseless receivers catching passes over the middle to lower the boom.

Tackling: Duck and swipe tackler who prefers not to get involved in run support. Takes too long to get past the receiver block and rarely attacks the line of scrimmage.

This article compared him to Dre Bly. If the Niners are going to let Bly walk, Wilson might be a really good place to look to replace him.
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
In terms of prospects for tonight's Fiesta Bowl, I'm obviously looking forward to seeing Jerry Hughes do his thing against Kellen Moore tonight. But I'm also excited to see how BSU's CB Kyle Wilson holds up against TCU's Andy Dalton. Right now, Wilson is seen as a 3rd round CB with excellent punt return skills. However, if he can hold his own against Dalton (the 5th rated passer in college football) on a national stage, he could definitely improve his draft stock.

If he's available in the 3rd, that looks like it'd be a really strong value pick. After reading the scouting report on him from NFLDraftScout, I found this to be interesting though:

Quote:
Run Support: Plays with a cover corner mentality and too rarely involves himself in run support. Has only averaged seven solo tackles a season in three years as a starter, despite posting 117 total tackles through his junior season. Flashes physicality as a hitter, but is typically more of a duck-and-swipe tackler who has taken advantage of unsuspecting and defenseless receivers catching passes over the middle to lower the boom.

Tackling: Duck and swipe tackler who prefers not to get involved in run support. Takes too long to get past the receiver block and rarely attacks the line of scrimmage.

This article compared him to Dre Bly. If the Niners are going to let Bly walk, Wilson might be a really good place to look to replace him.

I'm probably more interested initially in Wilson's punt return abilities than his CB skills, but I think he has the potential to be a very solid cover corner down the road.
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OTC, when did Hernandez, and Damian Williams declare?
Williams:

http://www.topix.com/sports/2009/12/damian-williams-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14051517?source=rss
http://www.examiner.com/x-/x-19045-NFL-Draft-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Damian-Williams-to-enter-2010-NFL-Draft

Hernandez:

http://poppickle.com/WebSite/Blog/2010/01/05/sports/football/nfl-aaron-hernandez-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft/
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=CFB&id=119485&line=14344&spln=1
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5674
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/cfb/Aaron_Hernandez/732496
http://www.collegefantasyfootballinsider.com/news/14814/Aaron-Hernandez-to-NFL-Draft
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Williams:

http://www.topix.com/sports/2009/12/damian-williams-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14051517?source=rss
http://www.examiner.com/x-/x-19045-NFL-Draft-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Damian-Williams-to-enter-2010-NFL-Draft

Hernandez:

http://poppickle.com/WebSite/Blog/2010/01/05/sports/football/nfl-aaron-hernandez-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft/
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=CFB&id=119485&line=14344&spln=1
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5674
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/cfb/Aaron_Hernandez/732496
http://www.collegefantasyfootballinsider.com/news/14814/Aaron-Hernandez-to-NFL-Draft

thank you very much sir, didnt see those.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Williams:

http://www.topix.com/sports/2009/12/damian-williams-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_14051517?source=rss
http://www.examiner.com/x-/x-19045-NFL-Draft-Examiner~y2009m12d23-Damian-Williams-to-enter-2010-NFL-Draft

Hernandez:

http://poppickle.com/WebSite/Blog/2010/01/05/sports/football/nfl-aaron-hernandez-to-enter-2010-nfl-draft/
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=CFB&id=119485&line=14344&spln=1
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5674
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/cfb/Aaron_Hernandez/732496
http://www.collegefantasyfootballinsider.com/news/14814/Aaron-Hernandez-to-NFL-Draft

thank you very much sir, didnt see those.

No problemo.