OTC's Talent Tier Board

Clock - I think you may need to revise your QB ratings. I dont see Lefevour or Canfield going as high as the 3rd round. I think they are 5th rounders that may go in rd 4 if lucky.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Clock - I think you may need to revise your QB ratings. I dont see Lefevour or Canfield going as high as the 3rd round. I think they are 5th rounders that may go in rd 4 if lucky.

I will get to it soon. LeFevour needs work on his timing routes, and Canfield has raw ability but is just inexperienced as a starter. I'm still going to keep them on as 4th round talents, but as far as their "projected" places, I'll need some workout numbers. But chances are, that won't change anything.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I have added another player to my 4th-round talents.

OLB Sam Maxwell of Kentucky (6-3 248 4.68) is a player hugely under the radar, yet he is a great prospect. Probably a SAM backer in a 3-4, but he does fit best in a 4-3 system because his greatest strength is coverage.

Maxwell intercepted 6 passes this year and broke up a total of 13 passes. He added 2 FF, 5.5 TFL, and 1.5 sacks. Sam tore his labrum this year and had surgery to repair it after the season. He will, however, be at the combine -- or at least has been invited.

At 6-3 250 pounds and likely to clock in the high 4.6 to low 4.7 range, a team may take a chance in the 5th round and beyond. Maxwell was a leader on the Kentucky defense and is a very talented player. I would actually be pretty happy to land him here.

Reposting this so people read it. No one ever reads back on previous pages.

Did anyone else see 370lb Mt. Cody get abused today? He looked completly out matched in the first quarter.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Did anyone else see 370lb Mt. Cody get abused today? He looked completly out matched in the first quarter.

For the most part, Cody didn't make a peep. He was a complete non-factor anytime the QB was in shotgun.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Did anyone else see 370lb Mt. Cody get abused today? He looked completly out matched in the first quarter.

For the most part, Cody didn't make a peep. He was a complete non-factor anytime the QB was in shotgun.

To be fair he was double-teamed most of the day. At least one of the sacks came as a result of that double-teaming, and that is the job of the NT

Originally posted by smileyman:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Did anyone else see 370lb Mt. Cody get abused today? He looked completly out matched in the first quarter.

For the most part, Cody didn't make a peep. He was a complete non-factor anytime the QB was in shotgun.

To be fair he was double-teamed most of the day. At least one of the sacks came as a result of that double-teaming, and that is the job of the NT

I noticed the same thing...he did a great job of occupying and holding his ground against 2 blockers on just about every snap, which is essentially what you want your NT to do. He did make one nice play though, dropping a RB for a loss after doing a little spin move inside. That was pretty impressive for a 370 pounder.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by smileyman:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Did anyone else see 370lb Mt. Cody get abused today? He looked completly out matched in the first quarter.

For the most part, Cody didn't make a peep. He was a complete non-factor anytime the QB was in shotgun.

To be fair he was double-teamed most of the day. At least one of the sacks came as a result of that double-teaming, and that is the job of the NT

I noticed the same thing...he did a great job of occupying and holding his ground against 2 blockers on just about every snap, which is essentially what you want your NT to do. He did make one nice play though, dropping a RB for a loss after doing a little spin move inside. That was pretty impressive for a 370 pounder.

I did see that, and granted, for what his job is he did not have a bad day. I suppose he's not supposed to be making all that much noise. And that play, he actually swatted the ball out of Joique Bell's hands I believe. I still feel he must lose 15-30 pounds at least and get his conditioning up. Think of what converting that fat into muscle could do for him.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
*** Before you read the board, please take a moment to read the description of what this actually is. This is not a projection board at all -- this is a measure of talent levels across eligible players to assess the best values for each pick per round. Keep in mind that these are my personal grades based on my observations. I make these boards to show that each year, top level talents always fall beyond the round they should probably go in. For now, I'm limiting it to two tiers (Tier one is Rounds 1-2, Tier two is Rounds 3-4). ***

This list includes all declared players.

All right, so now that you know what this is, now you can post with all knowledge and understanding.

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Note: As this is a massive list, there is bound to be a player or two I may have missed, feel free to ask if you think there's someone missing. It may just be that I don't see them as a 4th round talent or better. Anyways, here we go.

TIER ONE:

First Round talents

Quarterback:
Colt McCoy, Texas
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma*
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame*

Running back:
C.J. Spiller, Clemson
Ryan Mathews, Fresno State*
Jahvid Best, California*
Johnathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech*

Tight End:
Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
Aaron Hernandez, Florida*

Wide Receiver:
Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
Jeremy Williams, Tulane
Eric Decker, Minnesota
Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State**
Golden Tate, Notre Dame*

Tackle:
Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
Trent Williams, Oklahoma
Charles Brown, USC
Bruce Campbell, Maryland*
Anthony Davis, Rutgers*
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa*
Jason Fox, Miami

Center:
Maurkice Pouncey, Florida*

Guard:
Mike Iupati, Idaho

Defensive End:
Corey Wootton, Northwestern
Brandon Graham, Michigan
Jerry Hughes, TCU
Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida*
Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech*
Carlos Dunlap, Florida*

Defensive Tackle:
Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma*
Brian Brice, UCLA*
Dan Williams, Tennessee
Terrance Cody, Alabama
Jared Odrick, Penn State
Arthur Jones, Syracuse

Inside Linebacker:
Brandon Spikes, Florida
Rolando McClain, Alabama*

Outside Linebacker:
Ricky Sapp, Clemson
Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
Navorro Bowman, Penn State*
Rennie Curran, Georgia*

Cornerback:
Patrick Robinson, Florida State
Joe Haden, Florida*

Safety:
Taylor Mays, USC
Eric Berry, Tennessee*
Reshad Jones, Georgia*
Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech*
Chad Jones, LSU*


Second Round talents

Quarterback:
Tim Tebow, Flordia
Tony Pike, Cincinnati

Running back:
Dexter McCluster, Mississippi
Anthony Dixon, Mississippi St.
Toby Gerhart, Stanford

Tight End:
Rob Gronkowski, Arizona**
Anthony McCoy, USC
Ed Dickson, Oregon

Wide Receiver:
Arrelious Benn, Illinois*
Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas*
Brandon LaFell, LSU
Jordan Shipley, Texas
Damian Williams, USC*
Mike Williams, Syracuse*

Tackle:
Kyle Calloway, Iowa

Center:
Matt Tenant, Boston College
J.D. Walton, Baylor

Guard:
Jon Asamoah, Illinois
Mike Johnson, Alabama
Vladimir Ducasse, Massachusetts

Defensive End:
Everson Griffen, USC*
Greg Hardy, Mississippi

Defensive Tackle:
Vince Oghobaase, Duke
Tyson Alualu, Cal

Inside Linebacker:
Daryl Washington, TCU
Sean Lee, Penn St.

Outside Linebacker:
Sergio Kindle, Texas
O'Brien Schofield, Wisconsin

Cornerback:
Donovan Warren, Michigan*
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma St.
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
Dominique Franks, Oklahoma*
Kareem Jackson, Alabama*
Devin McCourty, Rutgers
Kyle Wilson, Boise St.

Safety:
Nate Allen, South Florida
T.J. Ward, Oregon
Earl Thomas, Texas**


TIER TWO:

Third Round talents

Quarterback:
Jevan Snead, Mississippi*
Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
Sean Canfield, Oregon State

Running back:
Ben Tate, Auburn
Montario Hardesty, Tennessee
Charles Scott, LSU
Joe McKnight, USC*

Tight End:
Tony Moeaki, Iowa
Colin Peek, Alabama
Dennis Pitta, BYU
Andrew Quarless, Penn State

Wide Receiver:
Danario Alexander, Missouri
Jacoby Ford, Clemson
Marcus Easley, Connecticut
Antonio Brown, Central Michigan*
Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech*
Carlton Mitchell, South Florida*

Tackle:
Selvish Capers, West Virginia
Ciron Black, LSU
Rodger Saffold, Indiana

Guard:
Mitch Petrus, Arkansas

Defensive End:
Austin Lane, Murray State
Jermaine Cunningham, Florida
C.J. Wilson, East Carolina
Lindsey Witten, Connecticut

Defensive Tackle:
Cam Thomas, North Carolina
Lamarr Houston, Texas
D'Anthony Smith, Louisiana Tech
Torrell Troup, Central Florida
Linval Joseph, East Carolina*

Inside Linebacker:
Micah Johnson, Kentucky

Outside Linebacker:
Eric Norwood, South Carolina
Roderick Muckleroy, Texas
Dekota Watson, Florida State
A.J. Edds, Iowa
Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State*
Jason Worilds, Virginia Tech*

Cornerback:
Walter Thurmond, Oregon
Brian Jackson, Oklahoma
Jerome Murphy, South Florida
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
Amari Spievey, Iowa*
Trevard Lindley, Kentucky
Javier Arenas, Alabama

Safety:
Major Wright, Florida*
Darrell Stuckey, Kansas
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech
Robert Johnson, Utah
Kurt Coleman, Ohio State
Myron Rolle, Florida State


Fourth Round talents

Quarterback:
Jarrett Brown, West Virginia

Running back:
Chris Brown, Oklahoma
Toney Baker, N.C. State*
Joique Bell, Wayne State

Tight End:
Jimmy Graham, Miami

Wide Receiver:
Riley Cooper, Florida
Blair White, Michigan St.
Andre Roberts, Citadel
Taylor Price, Ohio
Freddie Barnes, Bowling Green

Tackle:
Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale
Chris Scott, Tennessee

Center:
Eric Olsen, Notre Dame

Guard:
Brandon Carter, Texas Tech
John Jerry, Mississippi
Zane Beadles, Utah
Jeff Byers, USC

Defensive End:
Rahim Alem, LSU
Alex Carrington, Arkansas St.
Brandon Lang, Troy
Clifton Geathers, South Carolina*
Willie Young, N.C. State
George Selvie, South Florida

Defensive Tackle:
Mike Neal, Purdue
Corey Peters, Kentucky

Inside Linebacker:
Pat Angerer, Iowa
Daryl Sharpton, Miami

Outside Linebacker:
Kevin Basped, Nevada*
Antonio Coleman, Auburn
Kavell Conner, Clemson
Cameron Sheffield, Troy
Arthur Moats, James Madison
Sam Maxwell, Kentucky

Cornerback:
Alterraun Verner, UCLA
Myron Lewis, Vanderbilt
Josh Moore, Kansas State*
Syd'Quan Thompson, Cal
Chris Cook, Virginia

Safety:
Kyle McCarthy, Notre Dame
Barry Church, Toledo
Terrell Skinner, Maryland
Harry Coleman, LSU

What does the asterisk mean?

Originally posted by MiamiNiner:


What does the asterisk mean?

underclassman if I was a betting man.

Originally posted by krizay:

underclassman if I was a betting man.

Hey Krizay, just a friendly request here -- in order to keep from scrolling down a huge amount and all, could you maybe edit your post just taking out the part that has my list in it?

Wrong thread..

SS Larry Asante has been added to 4th round talents (on the later side, I should add).

Though his game was up and down, he had a good week of practices. He gives a coach a lot to work with. Upside is what Asante has a lot of. He may not be "there" yet, but I think he'll get there. We already know he's a heavy hitter, but needs to work on improving his awareness, play recognition, and better positioning himself in coverage.

I have added another player to my 4th round talents. His lack of ideal size will likely push him down in the draft, but as far as talent? This kid has loads of it.

I should've had him on here earlier, but forgot to elevate him from the 5th round slot I had him in before Pitt's bowl game. The young man's name is Mick Williams, DT of Pittsburgh.

Williams is unquestionably one of the most underrated players in the nation, having quietly been a terrific performer for 3-straight years along the Pittsburgh defensive line. Mick Williams is an absolutely ferocious player up front, displaying an unbelievable motor, hustle, determination, violent hand movement, outstanding rip move, and downright sensational quickness and power off the snap for a man at his size.

Mick exploded in Pitt's bowl game for two sacks against North Carolina, which gave him totals on the year of 17 TFL and 5 sacks. He's only about 6-0 285 pounds, but should clock in the sub-5.00 range. But again, as I mentioned, his lack of ideal size should push him down to the later rounds, despite all that talent.

But consider this: if Anthony Adams and Mike Patterson can function at 5-11, I believe Mick can do the same at 6-0 in the right system as either a DT or DE in the NFL. He's got the work ethic and the skill set to do so.

Tackle:
Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
Trent Williams, Oklahoma
Charles Brown, USC
Bruce Campbell, Maryland*
Anthony Davis, Rutgers*
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa*
Jason Fox, Miami


so what about the tackles now

the bolded are the only ones I've seen projected in the first

Originally posted by teeohh:
Tackle:
Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
Trent Williams, Oklahoma
Charles Brown, USC
Bruce Campbell, Maryland*
Anthony Davis, Rutgers*
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa*
Jason Fox, Miami


so what about the tackles now

the bolded are the only ones I've seen projected in the first

We have to get one of these guys in the 1st round.