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MadDog's Winter Solstice First Round Mock

MD is it just me or does it seem like after the 9ers selected Lawson, and to this point have gotten a so-so performance from rushing the QB in terms of sacks from him, they are leaning more towards taking the time to develop journey men / late round prospects (A. Brooks, D. Briggs, P. Haralson) than they are to draft a Brian Orakpo type player early in the drafts to follow?

Do you think they can still be a dominant defense without a 'superstar' pass rusher?
[ Edited by bergy07 on Dec 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Is there a Spiller, Haden option with a quality RT in the second round?

stupid option. Our biggest need is O-Line, there are some good ones to be had in 1st round, why pass that up.

I think the Niners' object should be to get an OT to play the left side and move Staley back to RT. That's either a first rounder or a free agent. Remember that Baas is a second rounder.
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by jta854:
its not sexy, but I'll take it.

In a second.

It would fill our two biggest needs. I'm all for it.

anyone know if/when Haden decides to declare for the draft?

haden will be stupid if he doesnt come out. he won a national championship last yr and he will be the 1st cb taken. i expect haden to come out
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If the draft plays out this way, some names to consider in the second and third round.

First, the aforementioned Asamoah, OG from Illinois, with a big upside. Second, Nate Allen, of South Florida, may not post eye-popping combine numbers, but is solidly steady.

The draft world is awaiting the return of Myron Rolle from Oxford, and will be looking to see how he appears at the combine and campus workout. Here is a guy who will probably be around in the third round, and you know you are getting a leader, the smartest guy on the football field, a disciplined athlete, and a superb locker room guy. In other words, if he can still run and hit well, he's the complete player. Rolle might end up the best bargain in the draft.

I have a feeling that Rolle might sneak into the 2nd round depending on combine numbers. Once they watch his tape over again he might creep up. Good mock overall. Vanilla but that's what I expect them to do also.

I believe Rolle will be playing in the Senior Bowl, so it will be fun to follow him throughout the week.
Originally posted by bergy07:
MD is it just me or does it seem like after the 9ers selected Lawson, and to this point have gotten a so-so performance from rushing the QB in terms of sacks from him, they are leaning more towards taking the time to develop journey men / late round prospects (A. Brooks, D. Briggs, P. Haralson) than they are to draft a Brian Orakpo type player early in the drafts to follow?

Do you think they can still be a dominant defense without a 'superstar' pass rusher?

No I don't think so.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by jta854:
its not sexy, but I'll take it.

In a second.

It would fill our two biggest needs. I'm all for it.

anyone know if/when Haden decides to declare for the draft?

haden will be stupid if he doesnt come out. he won a national championship last yr and he will be the 1st cb taken. i expect haden to come out

Good, if hes on the board we better take him.

Its been a while since we drafted a corner in the first 1st rounds... Mike Rumph?
Other than Hayward, about the best mock I have seen anywhere. I would also argue that if Bradford is 100% he will be picked ahead of Clausen because of his Aikman like accuracy. Beyond that, pretty damn good.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
On the first day of Winter 2009-2010, with the shortest amount of daylight in the Northern hemisphere, I present the latest installment of the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft, picks 1-12. Projected from GBNreport.com for the full 16 game season, the Niners will select 11th (their own selection), and again with the 12th (the Panthers). Note: As of this date, through 14 games, the order would be reversed. However, since we play two stinkers to end the season, our opponents' W-L record will soon hit the gutters.

Final note: I'll project a Redskins loss in tonight's MNF game to the Giants, dropping them to 4-10.

1- St; Louis Rams- Ndamukong Suh (pronunciated "En-DOM-uh-ken Soo)- Nebraska- DT- The Rams need help everywhere, and while a QB would be a sexy choice, the run and pass defense is never a bad place to start. Suh never leaves the field, and is the best player in this draft entering the NFL.

2- Detroit- Gerald McCoy- Oklahoma- DT- The Lions rank dead last in the NFL in defense, and McCoy will post eye-popping numbers at the combine, and look terrific at his campus workout. Can play virtually anywhere on the line, but best suited to be a 4-3 undertackle.

3- Tampa Bay- Russell Okung- Oklahoma State-OT- The Bucs seem to have their franchise QB in Freeman; now they need to keep him upright. Why not grab the best LT in the draft, in Okung? Penn and Trueblood are average at best at the two tackle positions.

4- Cleveland- Eric Berry- Tennessee- S- Sorry, KC fans. The Browns are staring at Polamalu and Reed four games every year, and wonder what it would be like to have a stud defender in the back end. Wonder no more. Berry makes a huge impact from Day One. Quinn has been decent enough for another year. Look for offensive playmakers in Round Two.

5- Kansas City- Derrick Morgan- Georgia Tech- Sam Backer- I'll go on a limb here and say that Morgan can make the transition from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, and if he looks good in drills, the Chiefs have picked up a solid bookend OLB to create problems for offenses in the AFC. The Chiefs rank at the bottom in total defense and points allowed.

6- Washington- Jimmy Clausen- Notre Dame- QB- Daniel Snyder is one impatient man, so even though Jason Campbell has played decently during the second half of the season, he will be dealt to another team, and the Skins will begin anew at QB. They select the most NFL-ready in Clausen. Certainly not the direction I would go, but I don't own the team.

7- Seattle- Anthony Davis- Rutgers- OT- The Seahawks could pull the trigger on Bradford, but give Hasselbeck one more year to get the team in the right direction. The Rutgers junior has a huge upside, and replaces the irreplaceable Walter Jones.

8- Denver (from Chicago)- Cameron Heyward- DE- Ohio State- Heyward is going to be a fast-rising player in this draft. His improvement in 2009 was remarkable, and simply was unblockable for most of the year. The Broncos 3-4 DE's have a grand total of 1 sack in 2009, making this a huge need pick.

9- Buffalo- Sam Bradford- QB- Oklahoma- The Bills are looking for a QB, and if they cannot grab Vick in FA, will have a tough call to make on draft day. Bradford may not be ready to fully throw effectively before the draft, but his resume is impressive. Let's say the team throws caution to the wind and makes the pick.

10- Oakland- Carlos Dunlap- Florida- DE- The Raiders love their athletes, and don't mind taking risks on guys with character questions. Dunlap provides big time talent, with the ability to get after the QB. Maybe the most athletic defender in the draft.

11- SF (own pick)- Trent Williams- Oklahoma- OT- The Niners finally solve the black hole at RT with the selection of Williams, who is solid in both run and pass blocking. Big and experienced, the team will have no problem running behind him. A no-brainer pick.

12- SF (Panthers' pick)- Joe Haden- Florida- CB- Another no-brainer selection for the Niners, whose pass defense is 28th in the NFL. Yikes!!! Nobody knows the future for Nate Clements, but virtually everyone knows that Haden is clearly the cream of the crop for CB's in this draft, and if he starts, will vie for Defensive Rookie of the Year honors in 2010. He's simply way too good to pass up.
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Final note: The correct draft order may be slightly altered from the above sequence. The 5-9 teams are bunched together in the projected opponent's W-L record.

I haven't seen too much of Haden, but some other posters (Ghost being one) has compared his game to a mix of Darrelle Revis and Leon Hall. Would you say this is an accurate assesment? The couple of games I have watched he has impressed me. I am starting to really warm to the idea of a blue chip OT and blue chip CB with the first two picks. I also wouldn't be opposed to Spiller and an OT as well.
Great stuff throughout the thread, MadDog.

One question though...is this going to be the umpteenth year in a row that I am pissed off that we haven't addressed our pass rush?
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Dec 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Great stuff throughout the thread, MadDog.

One question though...is this going to be the umpteenth year in a row that I am pissed off that we haven't addressed our pass rush?

probably
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Great stuff throughout the thread, MadDog.

One question though...is this going to be the umpteenth year in a row that I am pissed off that we haven't addressed our pass rush?

probably

Hopefully not........but I wouldn't hold my breath. Still there are a ton of prospects in this draft that could fill this role in our scheme. Oh please, oh please...........
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by jta854:
its not sexy, but I'll take it.

In a second.

It would fill our two biggest needs. I'm all for it.

anyone know if/when Haden decides to declare for the draft?

haden will be stupid if he doesnt come out. he won a national championship last yr and he will be the 1st cb taken. i expect haden to come out

Good, if hes on the board we better take him.

Its been a while since we drafted a corner in the first 1st rounds... Mike Rumph?

Ouch!
Back to back at Dt no way... lol Bj wilfork have been some of the best dt's to come out in years and they still didn't even crack the top 10. Dt are like wr's you don't like to risk a first rounder on them that high unless there calvin johnson or sapp!

But with the ram's history of drafting dlinemen early and often it could happen.
[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Dec 22, 2009 at 5:26 AM ]
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What if instead of Haden we take Dez Bryant to team up with Crabtree then go Cb in the 2nd round. Now, that would be a hell of a first round.
Originally posted by bergy07:
MD is it just me or does it seem like after the 9ers selected Lawson, and to this point have gotten a so-so performance from rushing the QB in terms of sacks from him, they are leaning more towards taking the time to develop journey men / late round prospects (A. Brooks, D. Briggs, P. Haralson) than they are to draft a Brian Orakpo type player early in the drafts to follow?

Do you think they can still be a dominant defense without a 'superstar' pass rusher?

I've always said we need a top-level pass rusher to be an elite team, but the team must believe its combination of Haralson, Lawson, Brooks, Briggs is enough to make it work. It isn't.

The Niners have attempting to outscheme other teams with our mediocre talent. But, at the end of the day, we need someone who can go man v. man, and apply pressure/collect sacks on a consistent basis.