Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by MadDog49er:
A couple notes on some of the questions raised and comments made.
First, to me, the demise of Nate Clements is vastly overstated. While he has not been a good bargain for the buck, I still think he plays at a pretty high level. I consider him a starter. However, I'm not sure the Niners feel the same way. The benching before the injury indicates to me that they do not have much confidence in him. In addition, as stated earlier, while Spencer has had a great year, I think he's on borrowed time. Corners rarely make the type of comeback he has made. And, his tendency to break down in the past doesn't leave me feeling secure with Brown, Bly, Harris, Smith, Hudson behind him. The Niners are going to need to pick up a CB sometime in the next couple of years, and Haden is clearly an elite talent.
Next, OTC and I are both pretty high on Lane, from Murray State. He presents terrific measurables and productivity. Very excited to see how he does in post-season competition and workouts. I had a slimmer defensive end from Akron graded as a mid-first rounder about a decade ago. He ended up being one of the great third round selections in modern defensive history: Jason Taylor. While Lane is certainly no Jason Taylor, he proves that some of these small schoolers can make it in the big time.
I disagree a bit with OTC on his evaluation of Anthony Davis. I thought he was terrific against some good pass rushers this year. One of the better DE prospects in the NCAA, Greg Romeus of Pitt, was almost completely shut out by Davis, and Davis also made South Florida DE's George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul look very pedestrian.
While I do not see him as an elite LT, I do see him as a top-level RT. He's got a good all-around game, has long arms and good size. For a team looking for a stud RT, this guy projects very well.
As for Eric Berry, while people should never say never (who would have thought that Crabtree would be at number 10...although early in 2008, I did make one crazy prediction that DHB would be drafted before him due to speed....only to chicken out on that prediction as DHB's productivity was shallow last year), Eric Berry is unlikely to be on the board when the Niners pick. I cannot see KC passing on him.
As for Ndamukong Suh (En-DOM-uh-ken Sue), he's perfect as a 4-3 undertackle, or 3-4 DE. I wouldn't play him anywhere else.
As for Dez Bryant, I'm not sure who will represent him, but Eugene Parker has to be at the top of the list. I'm not sure the suspension (and Deion Sanders' link to Parker) will effect Bryant's interest in selecting Crabtree's agent. And, I just don't see the Niners selecting any Parker client in the near future.
Final note: I believe Spiller is perfect in a one-back set, saddled alongside Smith in the shotgun. He's got a ton of wiggle, lightening fast acceleration, and good hands. He is a game breaker, one of the few in this draft.
What do you think about Earl Thomas? If Berry isn't there he's probably the next best thing since we need a ball hawk. Also what DE/OLBs do you like? You think Romeus or Pierre-Paul will enter? Do you like Antonio Coleman or anyone 3rd round and beyond like that(I know you mentioned Lane though)?
Coleman has underwhelmed this year, and would likely be available in the 6th or 7th round barring any miraculous combine numbers, but he's not expected to time well and probably will not check in with the measurables teams are looking for either.
I look for Coleman to to check in at about 6-1 259 and clocking in the low 4.8's
Yeah I had him in the 6th I think in my mock draft. I dunno about underwhelmed, I mean the guy has 9 sacks I think. That's pretty good for underwhelming. Plenty of good pass rushers have come out of the later rounds. Adalius Thomas was a 6th rounder IIRC. I'd take a flyer on him? What do you think of the other guys I listed?
btw Thomas has changed his tune apparently about the draft
Yeah, You're right. Underwhelmed is not really the right word. I'm not sure what the word is. Maybe just didn't reach quite where I thought he could. He's put up really good numbers, it's just, most people expected him to go off and play to the level that Groves did, like a late 1st-2nd rounder. I actually think he's got 3rd round talent, but his size and the fact that he's not a speed rusher at all hurts him. However, he's non-stop hustle guy, and I wouldn't be opposed to using a 5th on him. If you look at his QB hurries stat -- he's got like a minimum of 13 per year. That's a heck of feat. Shows he's constantly getting after the QB. He'll probably wind up like Haralson though, a guy not all that agile, but can get pressure every so often.
15.5 TFL, 9 sacks. But if he interviews poorly and/or runs a 4.8 or worse, the highest he'll go is probably round 4.
As for Lane. I'd totally pull the trigger in the middle of round 2, and definitely by round 3. Like I said. Lane is exponentially better than Sidbury as a prospect right now. Sidbury was 6-2 267 and ran a 4.64 I believe. I'd have to look up the stats, but I think Lane surpassed him. (Just looked them up and yeah, Sidbury had one 11.5 sack year, the year before he only had 5 sacks. Lane at 6-6 260 4.60 has back to back 11+ sack, 20+ TFL seasons.) Plus Lane has more QB hurries and drops into coverage unlike Sidbury, who never did.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 12, 2009 at 00:16:26 ]