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MadDog December 10th Top 13 Pick Mock Draft

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
How can you think that CB is not a massive need with our 27th ranked pass defense? We are ranked 7th in the league in sacks, so it's a little hard to point to the pass rush as the reason for the big yardage through the air.

Clements is solid, but he's slowly getting up there in age and he's slowing down as well - make no mistake about it, he's still our #1 corner. Spencer is good as well, but beyond them two, it's a steep drop off. We don't know how Harris is going to bounce back or if he's even going to be here next year. Brown is a poor tackler and is inconsistent. Bly is just suited to dime packages.

I'm all for drafting a CB to come in for Clements. We need depth badly, especially with all the passing the league is moving to. It is essential to have 3 good, solid corners because that 3rd corner is going to be on the field quite a bit.

-9fA

If Clements never got hurt things would be different at this point in the season. Yes I agree that he is getting up there in age but he can still be very effective. Don't forget we got smoked a lot this year by RB's and TE's catching the ball. That falls on LB's, nick CB's, and Safety's. Haden would help for sure but Berry would make more of an impact if we had to chose between the two.

Spiller adds something we don't have on offense and gives us a real weapon in the return game. Aside from on LOG and ROT we still need a comp back to Gore and a real slot WR. Adding those 2 positions will help immediately and let us look for mismatches all over the field. Truth be told Spiller and Ford would be great pickups for us.

Berry is going to be gone. Period. Obviously he would and should be the Niners pick if available but he wont be. Haden would be the next best choice to really upgrade the secondary.

I do agree on Spiller. He would be a very nice addition for sure.

The key to getting Berry is with KC if they go in a different direction we will get him.

Considering all the holes they have, as good as Berry is, I wonder how much stock Pioli would really put in to taking a S that high. They really need to address their Oline. When they were good they had a dominant one.

I have a feeling that they may go after McClain, Pioli went after Mayo early and I can see him doing the same in KC. I still think we land Berry and Spiller this year!!!

True but with the Pats his o line was already solid. i think they go o line aswell

Either way if we get Berry I will leave a mess in my shorts
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
How can you think that CB is not a massive need with our 27th ranked pass defense? We are ranked 7th in the league in sacks, so it's a little hard to point to the pass rush as the reason for the big yardage through the air.

Clements is solid, but he's slowly getting up there in age and he's slowing down as well - make no mistake about it, he's still our #1 corner. Spencer is good as well, but beyond them two, it's a steep drop off. We don't know how Harris is going to bounce back or if he's even going to be here next year. Brown is a poor tackler and is inconsistent. Bly is just suited to dime packages.

I'm all for drafting a CB to come in for Clements. We need depth badly, especially with all the passing the league is moving to. It is essential to have 3 good, solid corners because that 3rd corner is going to be on the field quite a bit.

-9fA

If Clements never got hurt things would be different at this point in the season. Yes I agree that he is getting up there in age but he can still be very effective. Don't forget we got smoked a lot this year by RB's and TE's catching the ball. That falls on LB's, nick CB's, and Safety's. Haden would help for sure but Berry would make more of an impact if we had to chose between the two.

Spiller adds something we don't have on offense and gives us a real weapon in the return game. Aside from on LOG and ROT we still need a comp back to Gore and a real slot WR. Adding those 2 positions will help immediately and let us look for mismatches all over the field. Truth be told Spiller and Ford would be great pickups for us.

Berry is going to be gone. Period. Obviously he would and should be the Niners pick if available but he wont be. Haden would be the next best choice to really upgrade the secondary.

I do agree on Spiller. He would be a very nice addition for sure.

The key to getting Berry is with KC if they go in a different direction we will get him.

Considering all the holes they have, as good as Berry is, I wonder how much stock Pioli would really put in to taking a S that high. They really need to address their Oline. When they were good they had a dominant one.

I have a feeling that they may go after McClain, Pioli went after Mayo early and I can see him doing the same in KC. I still think we land Berry and Spiller this year!!!

Oh I doubt that. NE didn't have many holes, Mayo filled a need and was also BPA. KC is full of holes and MLBs don't generally go that high.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
How can you think that CB is not a massive need with our 27th ranked pass defense? We are ranked 7th in the league in sacks, so it's a little hard to point to the pass rush as the reason for the big yardage through the air.

Clements is solid, but he's slowly getting up there in age and he's slowing down as well - make no mistake about it, he's still our #1 corner. Spencer is good as well, but beyond them two, it's a steep drop off. We don't know how Harris is going to bounce back or if he's even going to be here next year. Brown is a poor tackler and is inconsistent. Bly is just suited to dime packages.

I'm all for drafting a CB to come in for Clements. We need depth badly, especially with all the passing the league is moving to. It is essential to have 3 good, solid corners because that 3rd corner is going to be on the field quite a bit.

-9fA

If Clements never got hurt things would be different at this point in the season. Yes I agree that he is getting up there in age but he can still be very effective. Don't forget we got smoked a lot this year by RB's and TE's catching the ball. That falls on LB's, nick CB's, and Safety's. Haden would help for sure but Berry would make more of an impact if we had to chose between the two.

Spiller adds something we don't have on offense and gives us a real weapon in the return game. Aside from on LOG and ROT we still need a comp back to Gore and a real slot WR. Adding those 2 positions will help immediately and let us look for mismatches all over the field. Truth be told Spiller and Ford would be great pickups for us.

Berry is going to be gone. Period. Obviously he would and should be the Niners pick if available but he wont be. Haden would be the next best choice to really upgrade the secondary.

I do agree on Spiller. He would be a very nice addition for sure.

The key to getting Berry is with KC if they go in a different direction we will get him.

Considering all the holes they have, as good as Berry is, I wonder how much stock Pioli would really put in to taking a S that high. They really need to address their Oline. When they were good they had a dominant one.

I have a feeling that they may go after McClain, Pioli went after Mayo early and I can see him doing the same in KC. I still think we land Berry and Spiller this year!!!

Oh I doubt that. NE didn't have many holes, Mayo filled a need and was also BPA. KC is full of holes and MLBs don't generally go that high.

Very true but a dominant MLB is hard to find, its easier to find FS's this year then high quality ILB's. Willis was at 11, Mayo was at 10 so yes it may be a reach at 7ish but McClain is a real monster.

Here are the numbers
1 6 Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State New York Jets
1 9 Keith Rivers OLB USC Cincinnati Bengals

1 10 Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee New England Patriots
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi San Francisco 49ers
1 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State Pittsburgh Steelers

1 5 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State Green Bay Packers
1 9 Ernie Sims OLB Florida State Detroit Lions
1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State Cleveland Browns

1 11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State Dallas Cowboys
1 12 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland San Diego Chargers

1 12 Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami (Fla.) New York Jets
1 10 Terrell Suggs OLB Arizona State Baltimore Ravens
1 2 LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State Washington Redskins
1 9 Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico Chicago Bears
1 13 John Abraham LB South Carolina New York Jets


1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State Washington Redskins
1 7 Michael Huff SS Texas Oakland Raiders
1 8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State Buffalo Bills
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) Washington Redskins
1 8 Roy Williams FS Oklahoma Dallas Cowboys



There have been 5 FS/SS drafted in the top 15 since 2000, there have been 15 since 2000. All 5 FS/SS were top 10 picks you have 6 LB's drafted in the top 10. Granted its a mix of ILB's and OLB's the numbers do show a fair amount have been taken in the top 10.
I don't watch many Florida Gator games, what can you tell me about Hayden? Is he a physical corner, does he move well in and out of his breaks, does he fight for the ball?
Originally posted by steiber:
I don't watch many Florida Gator games, what can you tell me about Hayden? Is he a physical corner, does he move well in and out of his breaks, does he fight for the ball?

Cbs will get beat at times. With Haden though, he is a lot of the times in position to make the play, and I mean a lot.

He tackles good, not afraid to stick his nose in the pile to stop the runs, good hands when it comes to making plays on the ball. He reads the qb exceptionally well, I think.

With the way he finds his way to the ball, and more importantly covers the receiver, I believe he has the ability to be a game-changing defensive back, against anybody.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Originally posted by steiber:
I don't watch many Florida Gator games, what can you tell me about Hayden? Is he a physical corner, does he move well in and out of his breaks, does he fight for the ball?

Cbs will get beat at times. With Haden though, he is a lot of the times in position to make the play, and I mean a lot.

He tackles good, not afraid to stick his nose in the pile to stop the runs, good hands when it comes to making plays on the ball. He reads the qb exceptionally well, I think.

With the way he finds his way to the ball, and more importantly covers the receiver, I believe he has the ability to be a game-changing defensive back, against anybody.

I wouldn't be mad if we got Joe Haden. I really think we need a good upgrade in the secondary.
Originally posted by Dino:
Do you see Suh as a 3-4 DE or NT?

Playing him as a 3-4 NT would be a waste of talent. He needs to be off the edge in that system.
A couple notes on some of the questions raised and comments made.

First, to me, the demise of Nate Clements is vastly overstated. While he has not been a good bargain for the buck, I still think he plays at a pretty high level. I consider him a starter. However, I'm not sure the Niners feel the same way. The benching before the injury indicates to me that they do not have much confidence in him. In addition, as stated earlier, while Spencer has had a great year, I think he's on borrowed time. Corners rarely make the type of comeback he has made. And, his tendency to break down in the past doesn't leave me feeling secure with Brown, Bly, Harris, Smith, Hudson behind him. The Niners are going to need to pick up a CB sometime in the next couple of years, and Haden is clearly an elite talent.

Next, OTC and I are both pretty high on Lane, from Murray State. He presents terrific measurables and productivity. Very excited to see how he does in post-season competition and workouts. I had a slimmer defensive end from Akron graded as a mid-first rounder about a decade ago. He ended up being one of the great third round selections in modern defensive history: Jason Taylor. While Lane is certainly no Jason Taylor, he proves that some of these small schoolers can make it in the big time.

I disagree a bit with OTC on his evaluation of Anthony Davis. I thought he was terrific against some good pass rushers this year. One of the better DE prospects in the NCAA, Greg Romeus of Pitt, was almost completely shut out by Davis, and Davis also made South Florida DE's George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul look very pedestrian.

While I do not see him as an elite LT, I do see him as a top-level RT. He's got a good all-around game, has long arms and good size. For a team looking for a stud RT, this guy projects very well.

As for Eric Berry, while people should never say never (who would have thought that Crabtree would be at number 10...although early in 2008, I did make one crazy prediction that DHB would be drafted before him due to speed....only to chicken out on that prediction as DHB's productivity was shallow last year), Eric Berry is unlikely to be on the board when the Niners pick. I cannot see KC passing on him.

As for Ndamukong Suh (En-DOM-uh-ken Sue), he's perfect as a 4-3 undertackle, or 3-4 DE. I wouldn't play him anywhere else.

As for Dez Bryant, I'm not sure who will represent him, but Eugene Parker has to be at the top of the list. I'm not sure the suspension (and Deion Sanders' link to Parker) will effect Bryant's interest in selecting Crabtree's agent. And, I just don't see the Niners selecting any Parker client in the near future.

Final note: I believe Spiller is perfect in a one-back set, saddled alongside Smith in the shotgun. He's got a ton of wiggle, lightening fast acceleration, and good hands. He is a game breaker, one of the few in this draft.

Cheers.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Dec 11, 2009 at 20:34:10 ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
A couple notes on some of the questions raised and comments made.

First, to me, the demise of Nate Clements is vastly overstated. While he has not been a good bargain for the buck, I still think he plays at a pretty high level. I consider him a starter. However, I'm not sure the Niners feel the same way. The benching before the injury indicates to me that they do not have much confidence in him. In addition, as stated earlier, while Spencer has had a great year, I think he's on borrowed time. Corners rarely make the type of comeback he has made. And, his tendency to break down in the past doesn't leave me feeling secure with Brown, Bly, Harris, Smith, Hudson behind him. The Niners are going to need to pick up a CB sometime in the next couple of years, and Haden is clearly an elite talent.

Next, OTC and I are both pretty high on Lane, from Murray State. He presents terrific measurables and productivity. Very excited to see how he does in post-season competition and workouts. I had a slimmer defensive end from Akron graded as a mid-first rounder about a decade ago. He ended up being one of the great third round selections in modern defensive history: Jason Taylor. While Lane is certainly no Jason Taylor, he proves that some of these small schoolers can make it in the big time.

I disagree a bit with OTC on his evaluation of Anthony Davis. I thought he was terrific against some good pass rushers this year. One of the better DE prospects in the NCAA, Greg Romeus of Pitt, was almost completely shut out by Davis, and Davis also made South Florida DE's George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul look very pedestrian.

While I do not see him as an elite LT, I do see him as a top-level RT. He's got a good all-around game, has long arms and good size. For a team looking for a stud RT, this guy projects very well.

As for Eric Berry, while people should never say never (who would have thought that Crabtree would be at number 10...although early in 2008, I did make one crazy prediction that DHB would be drafted before him due to speed....only to chicken out on that prediction as DHB's productivity was shallow last year), Eric Berry is unlikely to be on the board when the Niners pick. I cannot see KC passing on him.

As for Ndamukong Suh (En-DOM-uh-ken Sue), he's perfect as a 4-3 undertackle, or 3-4 DE. I wouldn't play him anywhere else.

As for Dez Bryant, I'm not sure who will represent him, but Eugene Parker has to be at the top of the list. I'm not sure the suspension (and Deion Sanders' link to Parker) will effect Bryant's interest in selecting Crabtree's agent. And, I just don't see the Niners selecting any Parker client in the near future.

Final note: I believe Spiller is perfect in a one-back set, saddled alongside Smith in the shotgun. He's got a ton of wiggle, lightening fast acceleration, and good hands. He is a game breaker, one of the few in this draft.

Cheers.

What do you think about Earl Thomas? If Berry isn't there he's probably the next best thing since we need a ball hawk. Also what DE/OLBs do you like? You think Romeus or Pierre-Paul will enter? Do you like Antonio Coleman or anyone 3rd round and beyond like that(I know you mentioned Lane though)?
this seems like this might be a deep draft almost all around. Lots of talent in the 1st. Berry falls in our lap, take him. Otherwise, and OT, CB, Spiller, Pass rush in second or more linemen. Lots of options this year.
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This is very likely going to be what occurs on draft day. And the two picks are exactly what the 49ers need, both could be plugged into the starting lineup immediately and contribute on day 1.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The draft order below is based on a tiebreaking formula created to project the final winning % of opponents, in order to break tiebreakers. In the current scenario, here is how I see the draft shaking out:

1. Browns- Ndamukong Suh- It is clear here in Ohio that Mangini is on borrowed time, so his 3-4 scheme will probably be taken out of town in early January. Suh is a big time interior defender who will add a huge asset to the Browns. The Bengals and Steelers are primarily run-oriented teams, and Suh as a 4-3 undertackle is a tasty proposition against these division opponents. Expect the Browns to keep B. Quinn, or look to free agency.

2. Rams- Jake Locker- Locker has the physical skill set that is unmatched in this draft at the QB position. Size, arm-strength, mobility. The Rams are more than happy to send Bulger to the curb, and let the rookie get some playing time right away. In a pass-happy NFC West, the Rams need to put up some points, so this change is essential to the future of the Rams.

3. TB Bucs- Russell Okung- The Bucs may have found their franchise QB in this draft in Freeman, but need a stud LT to keep him upright. Although Okung is not at the same prospect level as J. Long, or J. Smith, he presents long-term security to a franchise that simply does not score points. Plus, this is the area where modern draft history dictates an OT will be taken.

4. Detroit- Gerald McCoy- McCoy is just a small step below Suh. Fast and explosive, teams can line him up as a DT or DE on passing downs. The Lions are 30th in the NFL in defense, so someone has to come in and help. Note: The Lions were silly/stupid/moronic for drafting a TE at number 20 last year when James Laurinaitis was on the board. They still need help at MLB.

5. Washington- Jimmy Clausen- The Skins seem determined to find a new QB to replace Jason Campbell, and Clausen represents the guy most ready to step in and start on Day One. Daniel Snyder is impatient, and will throw him on the field right away. But, he better get FA help at OT, or the rookie will get slaughtered.

6. Kansas City- Eric Berry- This is truly one of the no-brainer picks of the draft. The Chiefs back end of the secondary is abominable, and the team needs a leader and anchon for the defense, especially a pass defense that ranks 28th in the NFL. Berry will be the NFL defensive rookie of the year.

7. Buffalo- Sam Bradford- T.O. seemed to be on his way out the door in 2010...until a couple weeks ago, when he began to make a dramatic comeback with the team. The greater concern in Buffalo is at QB. The talk is that Trent Edwards is done with the team, so this team will probably hunt for Mike Vick, draft the next best QB on the board, or both. Bradford is dinged right now, but has a solid resume. He can sit for a year behind Fitzpatrick or Vick.

8. Oakland- Carlos Dunlap- The Raiders love athletes, and Dunlap, even with his DUI, is an athlete. Is this a wise pick? No. But, when has Al Davis made a wise first round pick in the draft? The big, 290 pounder will run a 4.70, and Davis will run his card up to the podium at the draft.

9. Seattle- Anthony Davis- The Rutgers LT is a big, physical guy, who will continue to move up draft boards this offseason. He is far from a perfect prospect, but when he engages an opponent, they don't go anywhere. The Hawks need a long-term replacement for Walter Jones.

10. Denver (from Chicago)- Cameron Heyward- The Broncos pass defense is phenomenal, ranked second in the NFL. However, their run defense is 16th. Heyward is a big-time athlete who can play the 3-4 DE position. He continues to improve each year, and still has a big upside to his game. Look for Mike Nolan to have an extra toy to play with in 2010.

11. SF- Trent Williams- The Niners will play it safe here and grab the OT they desperately need. Williams is perfectly suited for the RT position, and can help the ailing run game. The Niners will still see two players on the board that they covet, knowing one will fall into their laps.

12. Houston- Derrick Morgan- Another no-brainer for this team on the clock. The Texans are 30th in the NFL in sacks, and with Peyton Manning on the schedule twice a year, this has to be fixed. Morgan is the best pure 4-3 DE in this draft.

13. SF (from Carolina)- Joe Haden- The Niners seem tremendously unsettled at one corner position going into 2010. It appears the team is flirting with the idea of dumping Nate Clements, or moving him to FS, which may be the best alternative. While Shawntae Spencer has been terrific in 2009, he has had a history of injuries, and the lack of depth, as seen by the erratic play of Dre Bly and Tarell Brown, could point to the Niners picking up CB help. Haden is clearly the ace of the CB class in 2010.

Next off the board: Dez Bryant, who I believe will interview poorly, and will scare off some teams in the top 10 picks; CJ Spiller, who will burn the track at the combine.

Note: Keep a sharp eye on Murray State DE Austen Lane. This is a kid who is 6'6", 260 pounds, and runs a 4.60. Do not be surprised if he is the "shock" of the draft, as a kid who jumps into the middle of the first round.

Cheers.


Good job, however, I'd watch out for the hater from tinsel town if I was you. He might pull this thread out next year and try to prove to everybody that you were wrong.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
A couple notes on some of the questions raised and comments made.

First, to me, the demise of Nate Clements is vastly overstated. While he has not been a good bargain for the buck, I still think he plays at a pretty high level. I consider him a starter. However, I'm not sure the Niners feel the same way. The benching before the injury indicates to me that they do not have much confidence in him. In addition, as stated earlier, while Spencer has had a great year, I think he's on borrowed time. Corners rarely make the type of comeback he has made. And, his tendency to break down in the past doesn't leave me feeling secure with Brown, Bly, Harris, Smith, Hudson behind him. The Niners are going to need to pick up a CB sometime in the next couple of years, and Haden is clearly an elite talent.

Next, OTC and I are both pretty high on Lane, from Murray State. He presents terrific measurables and productivity. Very excited to see how he does in post-season competition and workouts. I had a slimmer defensive end from Akron graded as a mid-first rounder about a decade ago. He ended up being one of the great third round selections in modern defensive history: Jason Taylor. While Lane is certainly no Jason Taylor, he proves that some of these small schoolers can make it in the big time.

I disagree a bit with OTC on his evaluation of Anthony Davis. I thought he was terrific against some good pass rushers this year. One of the better DE prospects in the NCAA, Greg Romeus of Pitt, was almost completely shut out by Davis, and Davis also made South Florida DE's George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul look very pedestrian.

While I do not see him as an elite LT, I do see him as a top-level RT. He's got a good all-around game, has long arms and good size. For a team looking for a stud RT, this guy projects very well.

As for Eric Berry, while people should never say never (who would have thought that Crabtree would be at number 10...although early in 2008, I did make one crazy prediction that DHB would be drafted before him due to speed....only to chicken out on that prediction as DHB's productivity was shallow last year), Eric Berry is unlikely to be on the board when the Niners pick. I cannot see KC passing on him.

As for Ndamukong Suh (En-DOM-uh-ken Sue), he's perfect as a 4-3 undertackle, or 3-4 DE. I wouldn't play him anywhere else.

As for Dez Bryant, I'm not sure who will represent him, but Eugene Parker has to be at the top of the list. I'm not sure the suspension (and Deion Sanders' link to Parker) will effect Bryant's interest in selecting Crabtree's agent. And, I just don't see the Niners selecting any Parker client in the near future.

Final note: I believe Spiller is perfect in a one-back set, saddled alongside Smith in the shotgun. He's got a ton of wiggle, lightening fast acceleration, and good hands. He is a game breaker, one of the few in this draft.

Cheers.

What do you think about Earl Thomas? If Berry isn't there he's probably the next best thing since we need a ball hawk. Also what DE/OLBs do you like? You think Romeus or Pierre-Paul will enter? Do you like Antonio Coleman or anyone 3rd round and beyond like that(I know you mentioned Lane though)?

Coleman has underwhelmed this year, and would likely be available in the 6th or 7th round barring any miraculous combine numbers, but he's not expected to time well and probably will not check in with the measurables teams are looking for either.

I look for Coleman to to check in at about 6-1 259 and clocking in the low 4.8's
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
A couple notes on some of the questions raised and comments made.

First, to me, the demise of Nate Clements is vastly overstated. While he has not been a good bargain for the buck, I still think he plays at a pretty high level. I consider him a starter. However, I'm not sure the Niners feel the same way. The benching before the injury indicates to me that they do not have much confidence in him. In addition, as stated earlier, while Spencer has had a great year, I think he's on borrowed time. Corners rarely make the type of comeback he has made. And, his tendency to break down in the past doesn't leave me feeling secure with Brown, Bly, Harris, Smith, Hudson behind him. The Niners are going to need to pick up a CB sometime in the next couple of years, and Haden is clearly an elite talent.

Next, OTC and I are both pretty high on Lane, from Murray State. He presents terrific measurables and productivity. Very excited to see how he does in post-season competition and workouts. I had a slimmer defensive end from Akron graded as a mid-first rounder about a decade ago. He ended up being one of the great third round selections in modern defensive history: Jason Taylor. While Lane is certainly no Jason Taylor, he proves that some of these small schoolers can make it in the big time.

I disagree a bit with OTC on his evaluation of Anthony Davis. I thought he was terrific against some good pass rushers this year. One of the better DE prospects in the NCAA, Greg Romeus of Pitt, was almost completely shut out by Davis, and Davis also made South Florida DE's George Selvie and Jason Pierre-Paul look very pedestrian.

While I do not see him as an elite LT, I do see him as a top-level RT. He's got a good all-around game, has long arms and good size. For a team looking for a stud RT, this guy projects very well.

As for Eric Berry, while people should never say never (who would have thought that Crabtree would be at number 10...although early in 2008, I did make one crazy prediction that DHB would be drafted before him due to speed....only to chicken out on that prediction as DHB's productivity was shallow last year), Eric Berry is unlikely to be on the board when the Niners pick. I cannot see KC passing on him.

As for Ndamukong Suh (En-DOM-uh-ken Sue), he's perfect as a 4-3 undertackle, or 3-4 DE. I wouldn't play him anywhere else.

As for Dez Bryant, I'm not sure who will represent him, but Eugene Parker has to be at the top of the list. I'm not sure the suspension (and Deion Sanders' link to Parker) will effect Bryant's interest in selecting Crabtree's agent. And, I just don't see the Niners selecting any Parker client in the near future.

Final note: I believe Spiller is perfect in a one-back set, saddled alongside Smith in the shotgun. He's got a ton of wiggle, lightening fast acceleration, and good hands. He is a game breaker, one of the few in this draft.

Cheers.

What do you think about Earl Thomas? If Berry isn't there he's probably the next best thing since we need a ball hawk. Also what DE/OLBs do you like? You think Romeus or Pierre-Paul will enter? Do you like Antonio Coleman or anyone 3rd round and beyond like that(I know you mentioned Lane though)?

Coleman has underwhelmed this year, and would likely be available in the 6th or 7th round barring any miraculous combine numbers, but he's not expected to time well and probably will not check in with the measurables teams are looking for either.

I look for Coleman to to check in at about 6-1 259 and clocking in the low 4.8's


Yeah I had him in the 6th I think in my mock draft. I dunno about underwhelmed, I mean the guy has 9 sacks I think. That's pretty good for underwhelming. Plenty of good pass rushers have come out of the later rounds. Adalius Thomas was a 6th rounder IIRC. I'd take a flyer on him? What do you think of the other guys I listed?

btw Thomas has changed his tune apparently about the draft
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One request - for future mocks, can you list the position that they play? In many cases, I could tell from the description, but there were some exceptions. Pretty soon, I will know what position all of the top draftees play, but I am not quite there yet.