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a case for taking dez bryant if available

Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i wouldn't mind at all taking him if he there, look at detroit? ok, well look at arizona!, they took fitz eventhough they had boldin?.
- no doubt dez bryant would be a major upgrade over morgan, and crabs and bryant would make a great tandem to help alex smith production, not to mention bryant is a speedster and could widen the field. All im saying if berry is still on the board i wouldn't do it, but anybody else i would take bryant if he there.

And what am I looking at? A team that hasn't won a superbowl and likely never will.

Receivers don't win you championships. It's lunacy to draft another top 10 receiver when we have so many other holes which are much more pressing. Josh Morgan is a very capable #2 guy and we can draft a quick slot guy later in the draft.

Larry Fitzgerald was also a MUCH better and more safe prospect than Bryant is and had a connection with Dennis Green.

And Dez Bryant is a speedster? Huh? Compared to my grandmother maybe. That tells me all I need to know about your opinion.


Ehh I'm not for or against Dez Bryant. Personally he reminds me of TO with better hands, the guy runs like he's mad. But we might not need another WR with that pick, could be better picks for us on the board(Eric Berry, Brandon Graham, etc.). That said we do need a speedy guy(Bryant isn't really that guy) or a big physical mismatch(he IS that guy). I'm not sure we'd want to deal with Eugene Parker again.

The little burner types of recievers, the guys who you put in the slot, those can be found later on though. Steve Breaston was a 5th round pick. Mike Wallace from Pittsburgh was found in the 3rd. Mike Thomas was a 4th round pick. Knox, the speedster in Chicago, was found in the 5th. I mean you can find these recievers in the middle of the draft. And with that said, a guy I think maybe we should look at is Emmanuel Sanders. I haven't really seen him play, he's at Southern Methodist U being coached by June Jones, who has a few WRs in the NFL(the main one I can think of is Davone Bess, and I think there was another guy he coached at Hawaii?), and he has a 4.45 40 according to Scott Wright. The team is playing in a bowl game so we should have an opportunity to watch him play. He has 1200 yards and 6 TDs this year. He might be worth a look later on in the draft.

I also like Danario Alexander, who offers the size of Bryant(Alexander is 6'5'') but he's not as athletic and we can probably get him in the 3rd or 4th. He'd be a pretty good redzone target.
Dez Bryant is a sick player. To me, he graded out better than Crabtree last year, and if this team sees him on the board at number 9 (or wherever the team first picks), they have to seriously pick him up.

There are only so many game changers in each draft. Bryant is a game changer.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Dez Bryant is a sick player. To me, he graded out better than Crabtree last year, and if this team sees him on the board at number 9 (or wherever the team first picks), they have to seriously pick him up.

There are only so many game changers in each draft. Bryant is a game changer.

I would take Spiller before I'd take Bryant if we are going to go after a skill player with game breaking talent. I just dont think another WR is the way to go.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Dez Bryant is a sick player. To me, he graded out better than Crabtree last year, and if this team sees him on the board at number 9 (or wherever the team first picks), they have to seriously pick him up.

There are only so many game changers in each draft. Bryant is a game changer.

I would take Spiller before I'd take Bryant if we are going to go after a skill player with game breaking talent. I just dont think another WR is the way to go.

Why not take both?

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by genus49:
How about...NO!

See Detroit Lions for reasons why not.

Myth: the lions' mistake was taking too many great recievers with top 10 picks
Fact: the lions' mistake was taking BAD players with top 10 picks (many of which happened to be recievers)

OMG...do I really need to keep pointing out stuff like this?

Show me a team who has won a superbowl with primarily receivers as their best players. For that matter show me a team that has won a superbowl with 2 top 10 receivers that they drafted.

It's simple - only one receiver can catch a pass on each passing attempt. Meanwhile an OT or OLB plays every offensive/defensive snap and contributes to that play.

FACT a receiver does not have as much impact on games as those other positions that we need big help in.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by genus49:
How about...NO!

See Detroit Lions for reasons why not.

How about ...YES!

See Philadelphia Eagles for reasons why

Another one? Really?

What am I seeing from the Eagles? Did they win a superbowl that I missed at some point?

Honestly I don't even know wtf you're talking about. If your example is that they drafted Maclin this season...at pick #19...after drafting Jackson in teh 2nd round.

So why are they a good example of spending back to back top 10 picks on receivers who are very similar?
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Dez Bryant is a sick player. To me, he graded out better than Crabtree last year, and if this team sees him on the board at number 9 (or wherever the team first picks), they have to seriously pick him up.

There are only so many game changers in each draft. Bryant is a game changer.

I would take Spiller before I'd take Bryant if we are going to go after a skill player with game breaking talent. I just dont think another WR is the way to go.

Why not take both?


Cuz at some point we may want to play defense?
Originally posted by genus49:

And what am I looking at? A team that hasn't won a superbowl and likely never will.

Receivers don't win you championships. It's lunacy to draft another top 10 receiver when we have so many other holes which are much more pressing. Josh Morgan is a very capable #2 guy and we can draft a quick slot guy later in the draft.

Larry Fitzgerald was also a MUCH better and more safe prospect than Bryant is and had a connection with Dennis Green.

And Dez Bryant is a speedster? Huh? Compared to my grandmother maybe. That tells me all I need to know about your opinion.

The Cards were one play away from winning it last year and Boldin was not a first rounder much less a top 10 pick.
CJ Spiller and Brandon Graham in the first and Golden Tate in the 2nd.

Fix o-line through free agency. Having two young linemen starting +a very raw Rachal = lots of mistakes.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by genus49:
How about...NO!

See Detroit Lions for reasons why not.

How about ...YES!

See Philadelphia Eagles for reasons why

Another one? Really?

What am I seeing from the Eagles? Did they win a superbowl that I missed at some point?

Honestly I don't even know wtf you're talking about. If your example is that they drafted Maclin this season...at pick #19...after drafting Jackson in teh 2nd round.

So why are they a good example of spending back to back top 10 picks on receivers who are very similar?

Because spending two some what high picks on the same position isn't a bad idea. We don't have the depth or actual playmakers at WR to leave it alone. If Crabs or Morgan went down we are left with nothing. Every great team that will be in the playoffes usually has 2 great WR's...we don't yet. Plus we need a return guy which Bryant is.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by genus49:
How about...NO!

See Detroit Lions for reasons why not.

How about ...YES!

See Philadelphia Eagles for reasons why

Another one? Really?

What am I seeing from the Eagles? Did they win a superbowl that I missed at some point?

Honestly I don't even know wtf you're talking about. If your example is that they drafted Maclin this season...at pick #19...after drafting Jackson in teh 2nd round.

So why are they a good example of spending back to back top 10 picks on receivers who are very similar?

Because spending two some what high picks on the same position isn't a bad idea. We don't have the depth or actual playmakers at WR to leave it alone. If Crabs or Morgan went down we are left with nothing. Every great team that will be in the playoffes usually has 2 great WR's...we don't yet. Plus we need a return guy which Bryant is.

joe mcknight also returns punts, he should be available in the third i bet.
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[ Edited by PRIMETIME21 on Dec 8, 2009 at 18:05:59 ]
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
CJ Spiller and Brandon Graham in the first and Golden Tate in the 2nd.

Fix o-line through free agency. Having two young linemen starting +a very raw Rachal = lots of mistakes.

YEAH...BUT I WOULDN'T MIND IF IT WAS A GOOD MIX OF VET & YOUNG GROUP
FOR THE O-LINE.
yes i would get hin but if and only if our o line problem gets fixed which means at least 1 G and RT via draft or FA
Originally posted by gilwankel:
Originally posted by genus49:

And what am I looking at? A team that hasn't won a superbowl and likely never will.

Receivers don't win you championships. It's lunacy to draft another top 10 receiver when we have so many other holes which are much more pressing. Josh Morgan is a very capable #2 guy and we can draft a quick slot guy later in the draft.

Larry Fitzgerald was also a MUCH better and more safe prospect than Bryant is and had a connection with Dennis Green.

And Dez Bryant is a speedster? Huh? Compared to my grandmother maybe. That tells me all I need to know about your opinion.

The Cards were one play away from winning it last year and Boldin was not a first rounder much less a top 10 pick.

...my point exactly.