There are 83 users in the forums

Remember
Not a member? Register Now!

How high of a pick to invest in a KR/PR?

^^^ I like the Parrish or Shipley ideas, where is Shipley projected to go in the draft?
Originally posted by ramanz16:
^^^ I like the Parrish or Shipley ideas, where is Shipley projected to go in the draft?

3rdish
  • bigfan
  • Info N/A
low 2nd, high third

Golden Tate
All of you have missed a couple of the other obvious choices at CB/KR:

Javier Arenas Alabama

Career Stats

• Semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award
• Leads all Thorpe Award semifinalists with 10.5 (-74 yards) tackles for loss
• Midseason All-SEC selection by Phil Steele at cornerback and returner
• Second-team midseason All-American at cornerback by SI.com
• Third on the team in tackles with 52
• Leads team and ranks second in the SEC with 10.5 tackles for loss (-74 yards)
• 15th nationally and third in the SEC in punt returns at 14.39 yards per return
• Needs 106 yards to break the SEC career record for punt return yardage and 172 to set the NCAA record

Perish Cox Oklahoma St.

Last year averaged 30.1 per KR.

3rd round investment in either guy would be nice.
[ Edited by m_brockalexander on Dec 3, 2009 at 3:14 PM ]
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
All of you have missed a couple of the other obvious choices at CB/KR:

Javier Arenas Alabama

Career Stats

• Semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award
• Leads all Thorpe Award semifinalists with 10.5 (-74 yards) tackles for loss
• Midseason All-SEC selection by Phil Steele at cornerback and returner
• Second-team midseason All-American at cornerback by SI.com
• Third on the team in tackles with 52
• Leads team and ranks second in the SEC with 10.5 tackles for loss (-74 yards)
• 15th nationally and third in the SEC in punt returns at 14.39 yards per return
• Needs 106 yards to break the SEC career record for punt return yardage and 172 to set the NCAA record

Perish Cox Oklahoma St.

Last year averaged 30.1 per KR.

3rd round investment in either guy would be nice.

The issue I have is his size, 5'9 198lbs. If he's listed at 5'9 we all know there's a good chance he may be shorter....for a CB that's really pushing it.

Another CB/KR guy to look at is Perrish Cox 6'0 195lb:

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 SECOND TEAM (COACHES): KR/PR Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference Second Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM (COACHES): DB Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference First Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. While Cox had previously been known mainly for his exploits in the return game - and he was a second-team selection as the all-conference return man this year - 2009 marks the first time he has been honored for his defensive play. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
All of you have missed a couple of the other obvious choices at CB/KR:

Javier Arenas Alabama

Career Stats

• Semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award
• Leads all Thorpe Award semifinalists with 10.5 (-74 yards) tackles for loss
• Midseason All-SEC selection by Phil Steele at cornerback and returner
• Second-team midseason All-American at cornerback by SI.com
• Third on the team in tackles with 52
• Leads team and ranks second in the SEC with 10.5 tackles for loss (-74 yards)
• 15th nationally and third in the SEC in punt returns at 14.39 yards per return
• Needs 106 yards to break the SEC career record for punt return yardage and 172 to set the NCAA record

Perish Cox Oklahoma St.

Last year averaged 30.1 per KR.

3rd round investment in either guy would be nice.

The issue I have is his size, 5'9 198lbs. If he's listed at 5'9 we all know there's a good chance he may be shorter....for a CB that's really pushing it.

Another CB/KR guy to look at is Perrish Cox 6'0 195lb:

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 SECOND TEAM (COACHES): KR/PR Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference Second Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM (COACHES): DB Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference First Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. While Cox had previously been known mainly for his exploits in the return game - and he was a second-team selection as the all-conference return man this year - 2009 marks the first time he has been honored for his defensive play. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football

Uh, I thought I did mention Cox. I just didn't have all the fluff like I did for Arenas.

Here is another CB /KR to think about from Rob Rang at NFLDraftScout.com:

Defensive back: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (Penn.), 6-1, 205, 4.48 (CB): To stand out at the lower levels, cornerbacks have to be dominant -- which is precisely what Owusu-Ansah has been. Voted all-conference each of the past two seasons, including first team at cornerback and returner as a senior, Owusu-Ansah has been rarely targeted by the opposition. Like former small-school standouts Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee State) and Leodis McKelvin (Troy), to earn the first-round grade his eye-popping statistics would seem to warrant, Owusu-Ansah will need to perform well at the Senior Bowl and in personal workouts.
3rd rounder
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
All of you have missed a couple of the other obvious choices at CB/KR:

Javier Arenas Alabama

Career Stats

• Semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award
• Leads all Thorpe Award semifinalists with 10.5 (-74 yards) tackles for loss
• Midseason All-SEC selection by Phil Steele at cornerback and returner
• Second-team midseason All-American at cornerback by SI.com
• Third on the team in tackles with 52
• Leads team and ranks second in the SEC with 10.5 tackles for loss (-74 yards)
• 15th nationally and third in the SEC in punt returns at 14.39 yards per return
• Needs 106 yards to break the SEC career record for punt return yardage and 172 to set the NCAA record

Perish Cox Oklahoma St.

Last year averaged 30.1 per KR.

3rd round investment in either guy would be nice.

The issue I have is his size, 5'9 198lbs. If he's listed at 5'9 we all know there's a good chance he may be shorter....for a CB that's really pushing it.

Another CB/KR guy to look at is Perrish Cox 6'0 195lb:

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 SECOND TEAM (COACHES): KR/PR Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference Second Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football

12/02/2009 - 2009 ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM (COACHES): DB Perrish Cox Oklahoma State Sr. Waco, Texas/University, has been selected All-Big 12 Conference First Team for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Big 12 coaches. While Cox had previously been known mainly for his exploits in the return game - and he was a second-team selection as the all-conference return man this year - 2009 marks the first time he has been honored for his defensive play. - Oklahoma State/Big 12 football

Uh, I thought I did mention Cox. I just didn't have all the fluff like I did for Arenas.

Here is another CB /KR to think about from Rob Rang at NFLDraftScout.com:

Defensive back: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (Penn.), 6-1, 205, 4.48 (CB): To stand out at the lower levels, cornerbacks have to be dominant -- which is precisely what Owusu-Ansah has been. Voted all-conference each of the past two seasons, including first team at cornerback and returner as a senior, Owusu-Ansah has been rarely targeted by the opposition. Like former small-school standouts Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee State) and Leodis McKelvin (Troy), to earn the first-round grade his eye-popping statistics would seem to warrant, Owusu-Ansah will need to perform well at the Senior Bowl and in personal workouts.

My bad I completely pulled a brain fart there

Yeah Cox would be a solid pickup...but I don't know if we would pull him in the 2nd where he is projected...if he was sitting in the 3rd I would make the move!!
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Depends on his other duties....Dez Bryant for instance is a WR first KR second.....Bryant will be a top 15 pick.

But how many returners are actually starters in the NFL?

Actually a decent amount:

Harvin
Knox
Ginn
Jones
Cribs
Hester
Sproles
Washington
Royal
Crayton
Jackson
Bess
Welker

Dont see many starters there, mostly #3 wrs. But out of those guys most of them were drafted late. I dont think we should invest a high pick in a returner. I would say Bryant in the first is out of the question!

Almost all of those guys are starters, just because they play in the slot for instance doesn't mean they don't start.

Actually it does mean that. This is Davone Bess and he leads Mia in recieving.


Look at the games started (0).... http://www.nfl.com/players/davonebess/profile?id=BES106788

Only 2 wrs get the start per NFL team!

I would use more common knowledge when looking at actual starters. Yes the NFL classifies the 2 top WR's as starters but that is old school logic. Most teams have gone to the spread which means they open with 3 WR's and end with 3 WR's. I would count the #3 WR for NO for instance as a starter compared to their FB who probably never sees the field.

Being a slot WR doesn't mean you're not a starter, look at Welker for instance.


Welker starts opposite of Moss.

Dude you're stuck on this 2 WRs start per game BS. Depth charts don't mean anything. How much you play does. We use Delanie Walker more than Moran Norris yet Norris is a starter and Walker backs up a pro-bowl TE.

Many of the WRs listed, like Harvin for example, see the field as much as a starter does. The point is, you want your explosive players to touch the ball as much as possible. If you have a really good PR, that player is probably also shifty enough to be an awesome change of pace RB or slot WR...hence they won't be "starters" but they'll still play and be intricate parts of the team they're on.
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by genz22:
Dez Bryant or CJ Spiller please.....fills 2 areas of need. A legit starting WR/KR/PR or a starting RB/KR/PR (if Gore goes down)

if you get a special talent like bryant or spiller, do you really want to expose them to the risk of injury by returning kicks....gaints had an all star d-back in jason sehorn a few years back and they had him returning kickoffs in an exhibition game and he tore his acl...never was the same player

you can find decent kick returners lower in the draft

just look at our very own nate clements. wat a stupid decision that was to put him out there
How about we just sign Josh Cribbs in the offseason?
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
How about we just sign Josh Cribbs in the offseason?

finally a new idea
Originally posted by MadMartz:
What is the highest draft pick you would invest in a return specialist?

Depends. If we take an OT with out first pick and Spiller is there with the other, I think its worth it.

Also, I'm not opposed to taking Dez w/ our first pick.