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Tackle-Guard Prospects?

Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.
I have seen some sites with Trent Williams dropping out of mid 1st round range. Is this correct? Could he drop into the second?

What happened?
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asamoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Thomas Austin (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.


I agree with drafting a starting RT, but I think we will not draft a starting OG. I hope we pick someone up in free agency though. Also what happended to Wallace, I think he is still under contract.
Originally posted by dragon79:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.


I agree with drafting a starting RT, but I think we will not draft a starting OG. I hope we pick someone up in free agency though. Also what happended to Wallace, I think he is still under contract.


I don't care how we get the Oline but we need oline help. I don't think Wallace will end up being a quality starter, so we need to start looking for Wallace's replacement.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.

Backup center, no. Guard, maybe. But I think we're trying to develop him into a pure RT. We need to get guys who can be starters right away, I agree.

Also, re-check the list -- I was rereading my post this morning and obviously I was very tired yesterday because I noticed today I misspelled one name.. and wrote another one of them backwards, haha. It should've read Thomas Austin instead of Austin Thomas.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.

Backup center, no. Guard, maybe. But I think we're trying to develop him into a pure RT. We need to get guys who can be starters right away, I agree.

Also, re-check the list -- I was rereading my post this morning and obviously I was very tired yesterday because I noticed today I misspelled one name.. and wrote another one of them backwards, haha. It should've read Thomas Austin instead of Austin Thomas.


Regarding your statement about a pure RT, are you speaking of Boone?
I'm a big fan of Rodney Hudson from what I've heard about him.

He's small and definitely not a mauler but this guy has great feet and is really fast. He would be really good pulling and getting to the second and third levels.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by dragon79:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
After we take a tackle with our first pick, I think that we should take a tackle-guard prospect with one of our next three picks.

I want someone that plays both positions in order to provide depth to the O-Line. Help?

Another reason as to why Im more interested in focusing on more valuable positions like Joe Haden (CB) or Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB) is because I actually feel that Alex Boone has just as much potential as most of the OTs available in this draft with the exception of Russell Okung.

I personally feel that his draft status, character concerns, and experience are the factors that prevented him from receiving a fair shot at competing for the starting job this offseason. But after a year of studying the playbook, I think he should be ready to compete for the starting spot at RT next year and I can assure you that he has much more physical upside than Adam Snyder.

I am actually much more concerned with our interior linemen.

You have an awful lot of faith in a guy who went undrafted.

Seemingly. But at least he recognizes our interior line is the primary problem. NOT the outside.

Yes, we desperately need a tackle, but we need to upgrade our interior. Thing is, we better hope we get someone who has the ability to beat out Rachal, because I'm sure they're content to sit and hope he eventually fulfills his potential.

If we don't upgrade LG in Free Agency, we'll need to draft someone in the first three rounds. Otherwise, I bet you they foolishly try to move Snyder back to LG, keep Chilo at RG, and then just draft top tackle prospects.

We'll see how the rest of the season pans out, but right now, Rachal better get it together or he'll need to be made a back-up next year. Baas was a second rounder too and was a backup for several years, so no one is exempt from being benched.

What I'd hope to see is:

Starters:
OT - Staley, Rookie RT.
OG - Rachal, Rookie LG or Free Agent LG.
C - Heitmann

Backups:
OT - Sims, Rookie OT.
OG - Snyder, Rookie OG
C - Wragge

Guard prospects I'm interested in:
Iupati (Idaho), Asomoah (Illinois), Brandon Carter (Texas Tech), and Austin Thomas (Clemson).

Tackle prospects I'm most interested in:
Bulaga (Iowa), Fox (Miami), Calloway (Iowa), Young (Notre Dame), Scott (Tennessee), Veldheer (Hillsdale), Hardman (Eastern Kentucky), and Marinelli (Stanford).


Thanks for the list of OGs and OTs. Do you think Boone could be OG? Will he develop into a RT? How about a backup center? I would like all of our draft picks to be potential starters. I don't want anyone drafted as a backup. I want backup to be the first step to starting. But oline is a big issue for this offseason.

I am also hoping that during the offseason they get Willis, Franklin, and V. Davis signed to long term contracts.


I agree with drafting a starting RT, but I think we will not draft a starting OG. I hope we pick someone up in free agency though. Also what happended to Wallace, I think he is still under contract.


I don't care how we get the Oline but we need oline help. I don't think Wallace will end up being a quality starter, so we need to start looking for Wallace's replacement.

I haven't seen Wallace. What is your justification for these comments?
Not having seen Wallace play I am just guessing. But no playing for 2 years indicates something. All feedback that I have read, indicates that he is a project at best. Right now Baas, and Wragge are the backups for center, not Wallace. So for my ten cents I would rather release him and draft a new center that we can use and can play.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Not having seen Wallace play I am just guessing. But no playing for 2 years indicates something. All feedback that I have read, indicates that he is a project at best. Right now Baas, and Wragge are the backups for center, not Wallace. So for my ten cents I would rather release him and draft a new center that we can use and can play.

You speculate. 2 years is not a long time to develop an offensive lineman, particularly not an early pick and especially at center.

You may be right or wrong. Pure guesswork. Only his coach knows for sure, and we need a new OL coach