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2010 NFL Draft Projections- Picks 1-13: Veteran's day Edition

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Just saw this mock on NFL Draft Scout on CBS Sportsline. Looks like you and Rob Rang think pretty much alike:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

I like Rang's work, but there is no way only three OT's are going in the first round. There will be more. It is way too valuable of a position.

P.S. By the way, Rang need to fire his editor. He has one of those OT's, Charles Brown, listed as a CB from North Carolina. Pretty funny!

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Nov 12, 2009 at 11:39:27 ]
Originally posted by MrOrange:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

I was at a CU/Okl St. game in '08....Dez Bryant was by far the superior athlete and player on the field. It was so apparent that you didn't even need to know anything about the game of football to see it. Man amongst Boys.

Agreed. He's a man playing with boys.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.
Why is no one talking about QB in the draft? Hill Is a decent back up, and will Alex be the future? That's yet to b seen. OL is the biggest need for this team. So I agree that one of our first rounders needs is OL. We might have to start really looking at QB prospects cause we probably don't have the Qb of the future on the roster. We can get FA to fill defensive needs pass rusher and safety's. or even second or third round picks.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The tailspin of the Niners the past three weeks has put the team in a terrible and yet wonderful position, with two picks in the top thirteen overall. I do see that changing soon, with the Niners eventually playing better and dropping down in the first round.

Courtesy of the Great Blue North Draft, who gave the draft order, the Niners are currently on the clock for the 10th and 13th overall picks. The good news is that the Panthers are in a murderers row of games, which should push their selection back up the board. The bad news is that the worst six teams are so bad that they may never drift further up the board than number 7. We will see.

Here is the projection I see for the draft at this point.

1. Rams- Jimmy Clausen, QB- The Rams desperately need a new start, and a guy who can step in quickly to play. Clausen may be the most NFL-ready of the big guns.
2. Chiefs- Eric Berry, S- This pick could go a million directions. I'll go with the biggest impact defender in the draft. The Chiefs back end stinks.
3. Browns- Jake Locker, QB- The speculation here in Ohio is that both Quinn and Anderson will be gone at the end of the season. Why not take the player with the biggest arm and physical talent?
4. Detroit- Russell Okung, OT- The Lions need an anchor left tackle to protect Stafford (by the way, what the bleep were the Lions thinking on draft day when they selected Brandon Pettigrew over Michael Oher...just dumb), and Okung is probably the best guy on the board to fill this need.
5. Bucs- Ndamukong Suh, DT- Someone needs to shut down the opposition in TB, and Suh has been the most dominant defender in the NCAA this year.
6. Washington- Anthony Davis, OT- The Redskins need to find the replacement for Chris Samuels, who is pretty much done. Davis has looked strong the past month, and could leapfrog some of the bigger named guys above him.
7. Raiders- Taylor Mays, S- As long as Al Davis runs the Raiders' draft, they will continue to draft athletes over football players. Mays runs like the wind and hits like a truck. However, those instincts are questionable.
8. Titans- Gerald McCoy, DT- McCoy is a flat-out stud. You can line him up all over the DL, but he'd be best suited to be a disruptive undertackle. Very good player.
9. Seahawks- Bryan Bulaga, OT- Just like the Skins', the Hawks' need a future franchise LT, and Bulaga is a favorite for many around the country. He's a technically sound player, who has superb feet.
10. Niners- Trent Williams, OT- The need is RT, and there is no better big RT in this draft than Williams. Just a big, big man, who can run block better than anyone else. Not as versatile as the higher graded lineman who get draft first, but should be able to be a stud RT for a long time.
11. Bills- Dez Bryant, WR- To me, the Niners will make a tactical error in drafting a RT before the top WR in this draft, but the Bills won't. Bryant easily replaces the loss of T.O., and the games will begin.
12. Dolphins- Greg Hardy, OLB- Hardy is certainly not my favorite guy in the draft, but there is no denying the skill level. Bill and Co. have shown a willingness to pick players who are a bit rough around the edges, and while the Dolphins have two great OLB's currently on the roster, the days of Porter and Taylor on the same team are probably in the final eight weeks.
13. Niners- Derrick Morgan- OLB- The Niners address their greatest weakness with their first overall pick, then head to the second. The Haralson/Lawson combo simply does not put pressure on the QB, and we are beginning to see the secondary falter the past few weeks. Morgan is a big guy, at 6'4", 265 pounds, but the guy can seriously rush the passer.

Cheers to all.
5.

MD or OTC or someone else who follows the draft closely and actually evaluates the prospects, can you break down Morgan? He's the player most of us have been trying to eye ever since his great start to the season, but still hear very little about him. He's the only one that I believe can be a Merriman type pass rusher at the next level. Will a guy like Grahm ever be a dominant pass rusher who can beat OTs one on one without a threat on the other side? or is he more of the #2 who will compliment a guy like Jared Allen and only put up 10+ sacks opposite of him? Morgan on the other hand, given his size and production this year might be the #1 guy in my mind, based on my limited knowledge. But is he just a 1 year wonder like Jamal Anderson?

Graham is a beast. He's difficult to contain even with a double team, so he absolutely can be a guy that dominates OT's one on one. Think about him lining up at WILL next to Justin Smith. That's an awesome thought to me. Unlike Haralson, Graham won't miss tackles, he won't jump offsides, he's bigger, he's stronger, and he's faster. Graham would help in both run and pass defense.

As for Morgan, he flashes the makings of a fantastic pass-rusher, but there are some things I notice that he needs coaching on. He'll sometimes play too high, allowing tackles to get into his pads and keep him at bay. That's how Miami shut him down. If he checks in at 6-4 275, he's going to need to make sure he shows that great athleticism at the combine. Ideally, you'd want him at 265-270 max to be playing WILL. I have yet to really see Morgan in coverage, and if he were to enter the draft, those agility drills would be key. Morgan has never played linebacker in his life, so there'll be a learning curve.

So you see him as the best pass rusher in the draft? Do yo think 6.5 sacks at the colligate level is a bit modest for someone who you expect to be dominant at the pro level? Who is the best OT he matched up against, and how dId he do?

I'm with OTC on this one. Graham has been a personal favorite of mine from the first game of 2009. He's just a tough, relentless, fiesty player.

The best player he faced this year was Bryan Bulaga of Iowa, and he pretty much destroyed him the whole game. Now, Bulaga was not at 100%, but Graham made it look way too easy.
Originally posted by NinerFan1977:
Why is no one talking about QB in the draft? Hill Is a decent back up, and will Alex be the future? That's yet to b seen. OL is the biggest need for this team. So I agree that one of our first rounders needs is OL. We might have to start really looking at QB prospects cause we probably don't have the Qb of the future on the roster. We can get FA to fill defensive needs pass rusher and safety's. or even second or third round picks.

I don't think it is going to happen. The Niners are going to let the year play out, and then see what they have with Smith and Davis down the road.

I do not see Hill on the roster next season.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.
Bryant at WR
Suh/Cody NT
Bulaga/Williams RT
Berry FS
Iupati OG
Graham OLB

Whatever two quality players we can get in the first round is great by me. We just need much Oline help for the rest of the draft and pass rushing. So however Mc does it is great.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.

I am with you on this NinerJohn.. We have a screaming need to improve our OL and to a lesser extent our pass rush. I sure hope that is the thinking in the war room when our turns come up.I know that Scott likes to stack his board and all that but I just don't see how we could draft a guy like Bryant and again ignore our OL, after taking Crabtree the previous year and ignoring our OL.

A solid OL will make an average QB look good even with average receivers. I think the receivers we have will do just fine with improved QB play which starts up front with a solid OL.

I would be fine doing what the Jets did a couple of years ago when they drafted Ferguson and Mangold in the first round.
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.

I am with you on this NinerJohn.. We have a screaming need to improve our OL and to a lesser extent our pass rush. I sure hope that is the thinking in the war room when our turns come up.I know that Scott likes to stack his board and all that but I just don't see how we could draft a guy like Bryant and again ignore our OL, after taking Crabtree the previous year and ignoring our OL.

A solid OL will make an average QB look good even with average receivers. I think the receivers we have will do just fine with improved QB play which starts up front with a solid OL.

I would be fine doing what the Jets did a couple of years ago when they drafted Ferguson and Mangold in the first round.

You have to look at the value of each player as well. We don't want to reach for an OT graded in the mid 20's and take him at 13 for instance. If we get better value for a lux pick then we take it.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Just saw this mock on NFL Draft Scout on CBS Sportsline. Looks like you and Rob Rang think pretty much alike:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

I like Rang's work, but there is no way only three OT's are going in the first round. There will be more. It is way too valuable of a position.

P.S. By the way, Rang need to fire his editor. He has one of those OT's, Charles Brown, listed as a CB from North Carolina. Pretty funny!

Besides the editing issue, I think that Rang has missed the boat too on the OT's. I think there at least 6 potential first round OT's. Okung, T. Williams, Bulaga, C. Brown, A. Davis and B. Campbell are all considered first round possibilities. Don't think that all of these guys fall too far in the draft.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.

I am with you on this NinerJohn.. We have a screaming need to improve our OL and to a lesser extent our pass rush. I sure hope that is the thinking in the war room when our turns come up.I know that Scott likes to stack his board and all that but I just don't see how we could draft a guy like Bryant and again ignore our OL, after taking Crabtree the previous year and ignoring our OL.

A solid OL will make an average QB look good even with average receivers. I think the receivers we have will do just fine with improved QB play which starts up front with a solid OL.

I would be fine doing what the Jets did a couple of years ago when they drafted Ferguson and Mangold in the first round.

You have to look at the value of each player as well. We don't want to reach for an OT graded in the mid 20's and take him at 13 for instance. If we get better value for a lux pick then we take it.

If that's the case then you move down and pick up another pick. There are at least 3 or 4 OT's worthy of a top 15 pick. I would love to see the Niners then use the 2nd pick and move down. Iupati would look great if we got him in the mid 20s.
So would Hughes or Graham.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.

I am with you on this NinerJohn.. We have a screaming need to improve our OL and to a lesser extent our pass rush. I sure hope that is the thinking in the war room when our turns come up.I know that Scott likes to stack his board and all that but I just don't see how we could draft a guy like Bryant and again ignore our OL, after taking Crabtree the previous year and ignoring our OL.

A solid OL will make an average QB look good even with average receivers. I think the receivers we have will do just fine with improved QB play which starts up front with a solid OL.

I would be fine doing what the Jets did a couple of years ago when they drafted Ferguson and Mangold in the first round.

You have to look at the value of each player as well. We don't want to reach for an OT graded in the mid 20's and take him at 13 for instance. If we get better value for a lux pick then we take it.

If that's the case then you move down and pick up another pick. There are at least 3 or 4 OT's worthy of a top 15 pick. I would love to see the Niners then use the 2nd pick and move down. Iupati would look great if we got him in the mid 20s.
So would Hughes or Graham.

I agree but you cant always trade back, if there are no offers then......no luck.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The tailspin of the Niners the past three weeks has put the team in a terrible and yet wonderful position, with two picks in the top thirteen overall. I do see that changing soon, with the Niners eventually playing better and dropping down in the first round.

Courtesy of the Great Blue North Draft, who gave the draft order, the Niners are currently on the clock for the 10th and 13th overall picks. The good news is that the Panthers are in a murderers row of games, which should push their selection back up the board. The bad news is that the worst six teams are so bad that they may never drift further up the board than number 7. We will see.

Here is the projection I see for the draft at this point.

1. Rams- Jimmy Clausen, QB- The Rams desperately need a new start, and a guy who can step in quickly to play. Clausen may be the most NFL-ready of the big guns.
2. Chiefs- Eric Berry, S- This pick could go a million directions. I'll go with the biggest impact defender in the draft. The Chiefs back end stinks.
3. Browns- Jake Locker, QB- The speculation here in Ohio is that both Quinn and Anderson will be gone at the end of the season. Why not take the player with the biggest arm and physical talent?
4. Detroit- Russell Okung, OT- The Lions need an anchor left tackle to protect Stafford (by the way, what the bleep were the Lions thinking on draft day when they selected Brandon Pettigrew over Michael Oher...just dumb), and Okung is probably the best guy on the board to fill this need.
5. Bucs- Ndamukong Suh, DT- Someone needs to shut down the opposition in TB, and Suh has been the most dominant defender in the NCAA this year.
6. Washington- Anthony Davis, OT- The Redskins need to find the replacement for Chris Samuels, who is pretty much done. Davis has looked strong the past month, and could leapfrog some of the bigger named guys above him.
7. Raiders- Taylor Mays, S- As long as Al Davis runs the Raiders' draft, they will continue to draft athletes over football players. Mays runs like the wind and hits like a truck. However, those instincts are questionable.
8. Titans- Gerald McCoy, DT- McCoy is a flat-out stud. You can line him up all over the DL, but he'd be best suited to be a disruptive undertackle. Very good player.
9. Seahawks- Bryan Bulaga, OT- Just like the Skins', the Hawks' need a future franchise LT, and Bulaga is a favorite for many around the country. He's a technically sound player, who has superb feet.
10. Niners- Trent Williams, OT- The need is RT, and there is no better big RT in this draft than Williams. Just a big, big man, who can run block better than anyone else. Not as versatile as the higher graded lineman who get draft first, but should be able to be a stud RT for a long time.
11. Bills- Dez Bryant, WR- To me, the Niners will make a tactical error in drafting a RT before the top WR in this draft, but the Bills won't. Bryant easily replaces the loss of T.O., and the games will begin.
12. Dolphins- Greg Hardy, OLB- Hardy is certainly not my favorite guy in the draft, but there is no denying the skill level. Bill and Co. have shown a willingness to pick players who are a bit rough around the edges, and while the Dolphins have two great OLB's currently on the roster, the days of Porter and Taylor on the same team are probably in the final eight weeks.
13. Niners- Derrick Morgan- OLB- The Niners address their greatest weakness with their first overall pick, then head to the second. The Haralson/Lawson combo simply does not put pressure on the QB, and we are beginning to see the secondary falter the past few weeks. Morgan is a big guy, at 6'4", 265 pounds, but the guy can seriously rush the passer.

Cheers to all.
5.

MD or OTC or someone else who follows the draft closely and actually evaluates the prospects, can you break down Morgan? He's the player most of us have been trying to eye ever since his great start to the season, but still hear very little about him. He's the only one that I believe can be a Merriman type pass rusher at the next level. Will a guy like Grahm ever be a dominant pass rusher who can beat OTs one on one without a threat on the other side? or is he more of the #2 who will compliment a guy like Jared Allen and only put up 10+ sacks opposite of him? Morgan on the other hand, given his size and production this year might be the #1 guy in my mind, based on my limited knowledge. But is he just a 1 year wonder like Jamal Anderson?

Graham is a beast. He's difficult to contain even with a double team, so he absolutely can be a guy that dominates OT's one on one. Think about him lining up at WILL next to Justin Smith. That's an awesome thought to me. Unlike Haralson, Graham won't miss tackles, he won't jump offsides, he's bigger, he's stronger, and he's faster. Graham would help in both run and pass defense.

As for Morgan, he flashes the makings of a fantastic pass-rusher, but there are some things I notice that he needs coaching on. He'll sometimes play too high, allowing tackles to get into his pads and keep him at bay. That's how Miami shut him down. If he checks in at 6-4 275, he's going to need to make sure he shows that great athleticism at the combine. Ideally, you'd want him at 265-270 max to be playing WILL. I have yet to really see Morgan in coverage, and if he were to enter the draft, those agility drills would be key. Morgan has never played linebacker in his life, so there'll be a learning curve.

So you see him as the best pass rusher in the draft? Do yo think 6.5 sacks at the colligate level is a bit modest for someone who you expect to be dominant at the pro level? Who is the best OT he matched up against, and how dId he do?

I'm with OTC on this one. Graham has been a personal favorite of mine from the first game of 2009. He's just a tough, relentless, fiesty player.

The best player he faced this year was Bryan Bulaga of Iowa, and he pretty much destroyed him the whole game. Now, Bulaga was not at 100%, but Graham made it look way too easy.

Exactly. I think you have to consider in some of these games, Michigan got so far behind that the other teams didn't even need to pass anymore, taking away sack opportunities for Graham. But when you look at Graham's stats when it comes to rushing defense, you can clearly see his game doesn't quit on just one side of the ball.

The season still isn't over, and Graham has 17 TFL with 6.5 sacks.

Last year, he had 20 TFL and 10 sacks. He consistently produces. He's still first round material, and the biggest factor telling where he's drafted will likely be his times in speed and agility drills at the combine. He could be like Woodley and go early in the second, but if he times well, he should be guaranteed to at least go in the second half of the first round.

Another guy, who I've mentioned before in speaking about pass-rushing talent, is Von Miller of Texas A&M. I believe he'll return for his senior year, but if he doesn't, he has a heck of a chance to go in the 1st round. Miller leads the NCAA in sacks and it's not even close. He's got 15.5 with 18.5 TFL and he's tied for 3rd in the NCAA with 4 forced fumbles.

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so Mad you think we should draft Dez bryant if hes available simply because hes the best WR in the draft?

Yes, yes, yes. A million times yes. The kid is a serious baller, and the best WR prospect in the draft since Calvin Johnson.

The Niners can use that second first rounder on a RT.

So you grade Dez above Crabtree? What in particular makes you think he is better?

I know he is bigger and probably jumps better but I figured Crabtrees route running and hands were better.

I think he's more of an explosive player. He runs angry, just like T.O., and that type of player usually succeeds in the NFL.

As I mentioned earlier I do think Bryant will be a good player in this league and maybe even great. However, I just dont see how the Niners can take a WR in back to back years when they have such glaring holes at OT, OG, OLB, CB, FS, and perhaps NT if Franklin leaves.

Matt Millen became the laughing stock in the league by drafting 3 WRs at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, and CJ were all considered cant miss prospects by most. The thing is... Millen ignored the rest of the teams holes and went for the big name guys and we see where that left the Lions. Their defense sucked, their OL was attrocious, and they became the worst team in football.

The Niners need to learn from Detroits mistake and address the real needs of the team. Bryant will be tempting but they need to avoid that temptation and get impact players on defense and someone who can keep our QB upright.

The team has that second first rounder, so it allows a luxury pick early on. In addition, I just don't see enough from either Morgan, Jones or Hill to be satisfied that our starting WR pair is good enough in the NFL.

I disagree that we do have that luxury. I would much prefer we get 2 OL (ot and og), a premier pass rusher, and a playmaking defensive back. After we fill those positions we can worry about another offensive skill player. Bryant is the sexy pick - just not the right one.

I am with you on this NinerJohn.. We have a screaming need to improve our OL and to a lesser extent our pass rush. I sure hope that is the thinking in the war room when our turns come up.I know that Scott likes to stack his board and all that but I just don't see how we could draft a guy like Bryant and again ignore our OL, after taking Crabtree the previous year and ignoring our OL.

A solid OL will make an average QB look good even with average receivers. I think the receivers we have will do just fine with improved QB play which starts up front with a solid OL.

I would be fine doing what the Jets did a couple of years ago when they drafted Ferguson and Mangold in the first round.

You have to look at the value of each player as well. We don't want to reach for an OT graded in the mid 20's and take him at 13 for instance. If we get better value for a lux pick then we take it.

I agree, a luxury pick is way better than a reach to fill a need pick. Hopefully, need and value will intersect when our turns come up.