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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Horrible. I will be pissed if we draft Taylor Mays in the first round.

I can has Roy Williams II.

Can anyone explain what they don't lime about Mays? He plays a position of major need, is a good kid, an intimidating hitter, and a perfect deep safety. Put Mays into the Atl game and no way Roddy White gets the 90 yard TD, he gets the first down and pays heavily for it

You evidently dont watch many USC games. Yes he tries to be an intimidating hitter. I think you vastly overrate him though. He always tries for the big hit rather than just get the tackle. He also is NOT a playmaker at all and I really think he is having an off year compared to last year.

He would absolutley not be a perfect deep safety and I doubt that is where he will play. I think he will play SS and be close to the line of scrimmage.

Finally, while safety is a position of need it is hardly our main position of need. Offensive tackle, OLB, CB, RB.. all bigger needs in my opinion. Mays would simply not be a good pick in rd 1 for this team.

He is not necessarily a playmaker in the sense of interception machine, but he is a good deep safety. What I mean by that is that he's not the guy whose going to basically be a cornerback --Ed Reed, Eric Berry, etc -- but he's a good last line of defense. Notice that when talking about what he would do in the Roddy White TD I didn't suggest that he would have picked off the ball or knocked it down, simply that he would have chased him down and hit him hard. That's not my favorite type of safety, but he is very good at this. Singletary also likes the physical brand of football, and a safety that can really hit can do wonders for you...think Dawkins, Lott, etc. Finally, I never said safety was the biggest need, I said it was a major need. RT is a major need, Pass Rushing OLB is a major need (a true difference maker), Safety is a major need, OG is a major need. I think we're OK at CB, but could use an upgrade, and we can use some depth at WR for next year. Either way, Lewis is possibly going to retire, Roman is not good enough to be a starter by any stretch of the imagination, and Reggie Smith has been slow to make any type of impression. Not to mention, our starting FS, while decent, isn't great and has battled a history of injuries in the past. Thus I stick to what I said...safety is a position of major need.
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Mays would be the best Safety on our roster that's all that matters. Sure I would love to have Berry, but as you can see he was drafted. I'd be fine with the next best Safety.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Horrible. I will be pissed if we draft Taylor Mays in the first round.

I can has Roy Williams II.

Can anyone explain what they don't lime about Mays? He plays a position of major need, is a good kid, an intimidating hitter, and a perfect deep safety. Put Mays into the Atl game and no way Roddy White gets the 90 yard TD, he gets the first down and pays heavily for it

You evidently dont watch many USC games. Yes he tries to be an intimidating hitter. I think you vastly overrate him though. He always tries for the big hit rather than just get the tackle. He also is NOT a playmaker at all and I really think he is having an off year compared to last year.

He would absolutley not be a perfect deep safety and I doubt that is where he will play. I think he will play SS and be close to the line of scrimmage.

Finally, while safety is a position of need it is hardly our main position of need. Offensive tackle, OLB, CB, RB.. all bigger needs in my opinion. Mays would simply not be a good pick in rd 1 for this team.

He is not necessarily a playmaker in the sense of interception machine, but he is a good deep safety. What I mean by that is that he's not the guy whose going to basically be a cornerback --Ed Reed, Eric Berry, etc -- but he's a good last line of defense. Notice that when talking about what he would do in the Roddy White TD I didn't suggest that he would have picked off the ball or knocked it down, simply that he would have chased him down and hit him hard. That's not my favorite type of safety, but he is very good at this. Singletary also likes the physical brand of football, and a safety that can really hit can do wonders for you...think Dawkins, Lott, etc. Finally, I never said safety was the biggest need, I said it was a major need. RT is a major need, Pass Rushing OLB is a major need (a true difference maker), Safety is a major need, OG is a major need. I think we're OK at CB, but could use an upgrade, and we can use some depth at WR for next year. Either way, Lewis is possibly going to retire, Roman is not good enough to be a starter by any stretch of the imagination, and Reggie Smith has been slow to make any type of impression. Not to mention, our starting FS, while decent, isn't great and has battled a history of injuries in the past. Thus I stick to what I said...safety is a position of major need.

LOL Just comparing Taylor Mays to Ronnie Lott is wrong on every level. Lott had the skills and coverage ability to play CB in his rookie year. There is no possible way that Mays could ever do that. His coverage skills are very limited. I would say that Roy Williams is a much better comparison. Hard hitter, will be good against the run, but will hurt you on coverage and not a playmaker in terms of interceptions.

There are just so many guys who can come in and help this team right away at critical needs that it wouldnt make sense to reach for Mays. Thats all I am saying.

Just curious? Do you watch every USC game? I live in So Cal and have seen every game he has played. Will he be a good pro - probably. Will he be an elite safety worthy of a top 15 pick... I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by 49erman5692:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Mays and Spiller FTW
or we can trade down a bit

that doens't fix our oline

or pass rush


between the draft and FA hopefully they can get it done


wait ive said that before
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I think Scott Wright is one of the most overrated draft columnist on the internet.
Mays has the athleticism of the Chargers Cromartie, i think you have to take him if he is there with our second 1st round pick. You can mold him into a freak playmaker. I've always felt our safetys are not great because theyre not as athletic as the best players in the league
Originally posted by tohara3:
If those were our picks I would like Williams pick. With the other pick I would like Spiller or Hughes.

Yes sir...if we could walk away with the best LT and pass rusher IMO in the draft....that would be wonderful.
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Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by tohara3:
If those were our picks I would like Williams pick. With the other pick I would like Spiller or Hughes.

Yes sir...if we could walk away with the best LT and pass rusher IMO in the draft....that would be wonderful.

Wouldn't the best LT be Okung?
Not big on Mays either. If everyone wasn't drooling over his 40 time combined with his size he wouldn't be nearly this highly touted. Big hitter, but his ball skills aren't great at all.

[ Edited by Hopper on Nov 6, 2009 at 23:44:12 ]
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Horrible. I will be pissed if we draft Taylor Mays in the first round.

I can has Roy Williams II.

Can anyone explain what they don't lime about Mays? He plays a position of major need, is a good kid, an intimidating hitter, and a perfect deep safety. Put Mays into the Atl game and no way Roddy White gets the 90 yard TD, he gets the first down and pays heavily for it

You evidently dont watch many USC games. Yes he tries to be an intimidating hitter. I think you vastly overrate him though. He always tries for the big hit rather than just get the tackle. He also is NOT a playmaker at all and I really think he is having an off year compared to last year.

He would absolutley not be a perfect deep safety and I doubt that is where he will play. I think he will play SS and be close to the line of scrimmage.

Finally, while safety is a position of need it is hardly our main position of need. Offensive tackle, OLB, CB, RB.. all bigger needs in my opinion. Mays would simply not be a good pick in rd 1 for this team.

He is not necessarily a playmaker in the sense of interception machine, but he is a good deep safety. What I mean by that is that he's not the guy whose going to basically be a cornerback --Ed Reed, Eric Berry, etc -- but he's a good last line of defense. Notice that when talking about what he would do in the Roddy White TD I didn't suggest that he would have picked off the ball or knocked it down, simply that he would have chased him down and hit him hard. That's not my favorite type of safety, but he is very good at this. Singletary also likes the physical brand of football, and a safety that can really hit can do wonders for you...think Dawkins, Lott, etc. Finally, I never said safety was the biggest need, I said it was a major need. RT is a major need, Pass Rushing OLB is a major need (a true difference maker), Safety is a major need, OG is a major need. I think we're OK at CB, but could use an upgrade, and we can use some depth at WR for next year. Either way, Lewis is possibly going to retire, Roman is not good enough to be a starter by any stretch of the imagination, and Reggie Smith has been slow to make any type of impression. Not to mention, our starting FS, while decent, isn't great and has battled a history of injuries in the past. Thus I stick to what I said...safety is a position of major need.

LOL Just comparing Taylor Mays to Ronnie Lott is wrong on every level. Lott had the skills and coverage ability to play CB in his rookie year. There is no possible way that Mays could ever do that. His coverage skills are very limited. I would say that Roy Williams is a much better comparison. Hard hitter, will be good against the run, but will hurt you on coverage and not a playmaker in terms of interceptions.

There are just so many guys who can come in and help this team right away at critical needs that it wouldnt make sense to reach for Mays. Thats all I am saying.

Just curious? Do you watch every USC game? I live in So Cal and have seen every game he has played. Will he be a good pro - probably. Will he be an elite safety worthy of a top 15 pick... I highly doubt it.

I live in SD and get every USC game, but dont' watch all of them. I watch a few games a year and for the most part like what I see. Few things to clarify. I'm not comparing him to Lott, rather I was using Ronnie to highlight how important and impactfull the intimidating hitter at Safety can be. The point I'm making basically, is that even without interceptions a Safety that can hit does make a difference (even though Ronnie Lott did both at the highest level and is a much better safety than Mays could be). I'm not sure how Roy Williams would do in a different defense, one that relies on hard hitting and wearing down offenses, so I don't really like writing that type of safety off. Pete Carroll has mentioned that this is the best safety he's ever had for what he wants a safety to be, and that is a huge endorsement for him.
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If he runs a 4.28 as Wright claims, then the Raiders will take Mays.
Originally posted by Crazy4Niners:
If he runs a 4.28 as Wright claims, then the Raiders will take Mays.

Haha, they sure will.
Scott Wright is a good friend of mine and I have contributed to his website in the past but man I do not like that mock draft very much.

Im also not a big Taylor Mays fan.
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Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Scott Wright is a good friend of mine and I have contributed to his website in the past but man I do not like that mock draft very much.

Im also not a big Taylor Mays fan.


You live in MN?
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Mocks before Free agency are rarely accurate

though im pretty sure we do take an OT with one of the 1rst rnd picks
I like our "probable" safteys for 2010 (Lewis, Goldson, Smith and Taylor)
so i'd rather not get Mays

Im on the Spiller bandwagon with one of our 1rst rounders