Ryan Clady or Joe Staley

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
It is clear people are focusing on the fact that compared Clady to Staley. What I was trying to question is should teams trade first round choices in the next year. Given that the team isn't sure of the value. Staley is a good player, but did it justify his price?

That's because you equated the value of that draft selection with Clady. We would have had the #7 selection that year, Clady went 12th.

If we had taken DT Sedrick Ellis, OT Brandon Albert (who was expected to go ahead of Clady that year) or OT Chris Williams (who was rated equally to Clady prior to the draft) with that pick, does that change your estimation of Staley's "price"? All of those guys were on the board at #7 and Staley is better than any of them imo.

Replace Staley with Kwame and we'd probally be picking alot higher that season. Who knows we might of been able to draft Matt Ryan. That's why I think we made the wrong move. We just weren't a good enough team to make that kind of risk. Thankfully the pick panned out so in the end no harm no foul.

In all likelihood, we would not have sniffed Ryan. Smith was still under his rookie contract. Had we gone another year with Kwame and his multiple whiffs at the LOS we may have gotten a QB or even Gore killed back there. An upgrade was needed.

Again, at the time the 49ers FO was not looking at the following year's draft class and rightfully so. You have no clue what can happen over that year. If you hold onto the pick banking on any 1 player at whatever position you could come away disappointed. The player you hold out for could get hurt or his draft stock could take a huge hit due to his play the following year or during the offseason.

I disagree with that. After his third season everybody knew Nolan was finished with Alex. If we had the 1st-3rd pick that season we'd entertain a new direction at QB.

BTW Your argument about holding for specific one player doesn't apply here because that wasn't my argument, and yes it the front office job to look out towards the following seasons draft hence why traded for an extra 1st rounder this season despite having glaring needs at tackle and pass rusher.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Nov 9, 2009 at 08:16:08 ]

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
In retrospect, the 2007 trade for Staley did have an impact on our draft in 2008. We would have had a shot at Ryan Clady. In retrospect obviously, we may have given up a HOF left tackle for a very good tackle. Any thoughts? Would people still make this trade on draft day?

What about Joe Staley vs. Tony Ugoh. Arguably, they're at the same caliber right now and Ugoh was taken w/ the 2nd rounder we shipped to Indy.

That's the difference between a great GM and a mediocre one.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
In retrospect, the 2007 trade for Staley did have an impact on our draft in 2008. We would have had a shot at Ryan Clady. In retrospect obviously, we may have given up a HOF left tackle for a very good tackle. Any thoughts? Would people still make this trade on draft day?

What about Joe Staley vs. Tony Ugoh. Arguably, they're at the same caliber right now and Ugoh was taken w/ the 2nd rounder we shipped to Indy.

That's the difference between a great GM and a mediocre one.

Is that a shot at our GM? You do know that Tony Ugoh lost his starting job this offseason right?

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
In retrospect, the 2007 trade for Staley did have an impact on our draft in 2008. We would have had a shot at Ryan Clady. In retrospect obviously, we may have given up a HOF left tackle for a very good tackle. Any thoughts? Would people still make this trade on draft day?

niners could have also drafted kenny phillips in the 1st round of that same draft with the same pick they used on k balmer......in the second could have taken desean jackson over c rachal........and in the third could of had steve slaton over reggie smith and in the fourth took anthony collins over cody wallace......now imagine those players on our team along with steven jackson over rashan woods and nnamdi asamouga over kwame harris.....and aaron rodgers over alex smith or giovanni carmazzi over tom brady........think about that team for a second fellas(it almost feels like getting kicked in the balls)

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
In retrospect, the 2007 trade for Staley did have an impact on our draft in 2008. We would have had a shot at Ryan Clady. In retrospect obviously, we may have given up a HOF left tackle for a very good tackle. Any thoughts? Would people still make this trade on draft day?

whoa there, lets wait more than 1.5 seasons before we declare Ryan Clady the next Jonathan Ogden ok...

The trade didn’t work out well, because they likely would have gotten a better player at #6 (esp. if they had chosen Clady). But Staley looks pretty good, so it's not a big deal.

But the real problem was the mis-evaluation of the team’s talent. McC thought they were a playoff team, yet they were only a ~6 win team. It would have been a good trade if they were a 9-10 win team, but it was a bad trade simply because McC doesn’t have a good judge of his teams true talent, which is a big problem!

Originally posted by Kush_Man16:

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
In retrospect, the 2007 trade for Staley did have an impact on our draft in 2008. We would have had a shot at Ryan Clady. In retrospect obviously, we may have given up a HOF left tackle for a very good tackle. Any thoughts? Would people still make this trade on draft day?

niners could have also drafted kenny phillips in the 1st round of that same draft with the same pick they used on k balmer......in the second could have taken desean jackson over c rachal........and in the third could of had steve slaton over reggie smith and in the fourth took anthony collins over cody wallace......now imagine those players on our team along with steven jackson over rashan woods and nnamdi asamouga over kwame harris.....and aaron rodgers over alex smith or giovanni carmazzi over tom brady........think about that team for a second fellas(it almost feels like getting kicked in the balls)

Yea the Balmer, Chilo, Wallace, and Reggie Smith picks look pretty bad now and at the time of those picks. All 3 haven't really contributed anything to the team. while those other guys contributed to there teams day one. all of them may one day pan out but most likely it will be with another team. When you are a 7-9 team you need to draft guys that contribute right away and not guys who contribute 4 years later. Just like I like Coffee but drafting him that high was a mistake.