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QB's Picked in the 1st Round

Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Studs
Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, Roesthlisberger, Stafford, Rogers and I'm throwing in Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round).

Busts
A.Smith, Quinn, V.Young, Russell, Carr, Campbell, Leinart, Collins, Leftwich

QB's starting who were not picked in the 1st round: The Good
Romo, Brady, Orton, Schaub, Cassell, Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner

The Bad
Edwards, Henne (although he looked pretty good on MNF), Delhomme, Anderson, Gerrard, Hill, Bulger, Josh Johnson

We have an amazing opportunity in next years draft having two picks in the 1st round. Despite our recent 1st round blunder involving a QB, we should use one of those picks on a QB. Nate Davis is our project, but how realistic is it that he'll be one of those QB's in the Romo/Brady category? How much more realistic is it that he'll be in the Edwards/Gerrard category?

Shaun Hill is limited as a QB. We definitely need to pick a QB in the 1st round in 2010! Your thoughts?

Sorry but this is a terrible list. Jake Delhomme was a pretty damn good QB before the Cardinals game last year. Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB but has a terrible team around him. Trent Edwards had a decent season a couple years ago but bad coaching and not a good o-line. David Gerrard was good the last two years but no o-line or receivers. Marc Bulger was a pro bowl QB. I can go on. Your argument is pretty bad. All QBs have a 50/50 shot in being a good pro or not. Nate Davis was projected to go in the 2nd round but his last two games in college weren't that great and teams were worried about a slight learning disability. Suddenly you want us to select a QB next year because Nate isn't a sure thing? How about you give him a shot before writing him off.

This is hilarious. Can you honestly tell me that you'd be comfortable with Derek Anderson as our QB? Or a "decent" Trent Edwards? Or a "good" David Gerrard? Or even Marc Bulger? I can go on... Don't be a fool. What do all of these guys have in common? Yes, they're good enough to start in the league...but they've also NEVER HAVE and NEVER WILL win a Super Bowl!

I'll feel a lot more comfortable with a 1st round LEGITIMATE talent as opposed to a late round project.

Are you really serious??? I'm not saying that I would want any of those QBs. Take another read. All I said that all those QBs has proven at some point that they were worth starting for their respective football teams. Do you not remember Marc Bulger taking over Kurt Warner and torching his opponents? Cus I sure as hell do. Do you remember people wanting us to trade for Derek Anderson? I'm not a fan but I'm sure if he actually had some receivers and an o-line, he would have more pro bowl years. Palmer, Cutler, McNabb, or Rivers never won super bowls. Does that mean that they suck too? You also say Cassel is a good QB. His stats were inflated in New Englands passing offense. Look what's happened to him now with the Chiefs.

Be real. Whether your a first round QB or a 5th rounder, they all have high bust potential if not trained correctly. The only difference is that if you draft them in the 1st round, then the teams have more invested in them.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Studs
Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, Roesthlisberger, Stafford, Rogers and I'm throwing in Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round).

Busts
A.Smith, Quinn, V.Young, Russell, Carr, Campbell, Leinart, Collins, Leftwich

QB's starting who were not picked in the 1st round: The Good
Romo, Brady, Orton, Schaub, Cassell, Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner

The Bad
Edwards, Henne (although he looked pretty good on MNF), Delhomme, Anderson, Gerrard, Hill, Bulger, Josh Johnson

We have an amazing opportunity in next years draft having two picks in the 1st round. Despite our recent 1st round blunder involving a QB, we should use one of those picks on a QB. Nate Davis is our project, but how realistic is it that he'll be one of those QB's in the Romo/Brady category? How much more realistic is it that he'll be in the Edwards/Gerrard category?

Shaun Hill is limited as a QB. We definitely need to pick a QB in the 1st round in 2010! Your thoughts?

Sorry but this is a terrible list. Jake Delhomme was a pretty damn good QB before the Cardinals game last year. Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB but has a terrible team around him. Trent Edwards had a decent season a couple years ago but bad coaching and not a good o-line. David Gerrard was good the last two years but no o-line or receivers. Marc Bulger was a pro bowl QB. I can go on. Your argument is pretty bad. All QBs have a 50/50 shot in being a good pro or not. Nate Davis was projected to go in the 2nd round but his last two games in college weren't that great and teams were worried about a slight learning disability. Suddenly you want us to select a QB next year because Nate isn't a sure thing? How about you give him a shot before writing him off.

This is hilarious. Can you honestly tell me that you'd be comfortable with Derek Anderson as our QB? Or a "decent" Trent Edwards? Or a "good" David Gerrard? Or even Marc Bulger? I can go on... Don't be a fool. What do all of these guys have in common? Yes, they're good enough to start in the league...but they've also NEVER HAVE and NEVER WILL win a Super Bowl!

I'll feel a lot more comfortable with a 1st round LEGITIMATE talent as opposed to a late round project.

Are you really serious??? I'm not saying that I would want any of those QBs. Take another read. All I said that all those QBs has proven at some point that they were worth starting for their respective football teams. Do you not remember Marc Bulger taking over Kurt Warner and torching his opponents? Cus I sure as hell do. Do you remember people wanting us to trade for Derek Anderson? I'm not a fan but I'm sure if he actually had some receivers and an o-line, he would have more pro bowl years. Palmer, Cutler, McNabb, or Rivers never won super bowls. Does that mean that they suck too? You also say Cassel is a good QB. His stats were inflated in New Englands passing offense. Look what's happened to him now with the Chiefs.

Be real. Whether your a first round QB or a 5th rounder, they all have high bust potential if not trained correctly. The only difference is that if you draft them in the 1st round, then the teams have more invested in them.

You're making it worse for yourself. I've never heard of a 5th round bust. And your claim that the "only difference" is that teams have more invested in a 1st rounder is actually making me laugh in my seat.

Choosing a QB in the 1st round is a better blueprint for success than drafting a late round project, hoping that he pans out, while addressing other needs. And if you don't believe me, ask the Lions, Steelers, Giants, Broncos, Jets, Ravens, etc.

Also, you contradict yourself by attacking my claim that Cassell is a good QB. You seem to think that Gerrard and Bulger are pro bowlers if they have a good line and good targets. Can't the same be said about Cassell then?

Stop arguing with me and turn it to FOX. GO YANKS!
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Studs
Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, Roesthlisberger, Stafford, Rogers and I'm throwing in Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round).

Busts
A.Smith, Quinn, V.Young, Russell, Carr, Campbell, Leinart, Collins, Leftwich

QB's starting who were not picked in the 1st round: The Good
Romo, Brady, Orton, Schaub, Cassell, Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner

The Bad
Edwards, Henne (although he looked pretty good on MNF), Delhomme, Anderson, Gerrard, Hill, Bulger, Josh Johnson

We have an amazing opportunity in next years draft having two picks in the 1st round. Despite our recent 1st round blunder involving a QB, we should use one of those picks on a QB. Nate Davis is our project, but how realistic is it that he'll be one of those QB's in the Romo/Brady category? How much more realistic is it that he'll be in the Edwards/Gerrard category?

Shaun Hill is limited as a QB. We definitely need to pick a QB in the 1st round in 2010! Your thoughts?

Although I'm not a Kerry Collins fan, I wouldn't label him a bust at all. Look at his career stats and his playoff appearances.

[ Edited by kronik on Oct 16, 2009 at 17:31:29 ]
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Personally, I would give up our two first round picks for Sam Bradford.

I don't think it'll happen because the Rams, Bucs, or Chiefs will probably pick him at number 1 overall.

Bradford throws the most accurate football I have ever seen from a college quarterback. IMO.

Of course, we still have to see if his injury will be a permanent issue.

I agree but I wouldn't give up both 1st. The reason why is his body type. He seems a little too skinny and fragile to me. But other than that, he would be perfect. Bradford's skills plus Tebows body = SuperQB.
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Studs
Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, Roesthlisberger, Stafford, Rogers and I'm throwing in Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round).

Busts
A.Smith, Quinn, V.Young, Russell, Carr, Campbell, Leinart, Collins, Leftwich

QB's starting who were not picked in the 1st round: The Good
Romo, Brady, Orton, Schaub, Cassell, Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner

The Bad
Edwards, Henne (although he looked pretty good on MNF), Delhomme, Anderson, Gerrard, Hill, Bulger, Josh Johnson

We have an amazing opportunity in next years draft having two picks in the 1st round. Despite our recent 1st round blunder involving a QB, we should use one of those picks on a QB. Nate Davis is our project, but how realistic is it that he'll be one of those QB's in the Romo/Brady category? How much more realistic is it that he'll be in the Edwards/Gerrard category?

Shaun Hill is limited as a QB. We definitely need to pick a QB in the 1st round in 2010! Your thoughts?


Hmmm.....Delhomme went to the SB. He may suck now, but he took the Panthers very close to winning the SB against the Pats.
[ Edited by nvninerfan1 on Oct 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM ]
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Stafford = Stud?
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
Studs
Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Cutler, McNabb, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, Roesthlisberger, Stafford, Rogers and I'm throwing in Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round).

Busts
A.Smith, Quinn, V.Young, Russell, Carr, Campbell, Leinart, Collins, Leftwich

QB's starting who were not picked in the 1st round: The Good
Romo, Brady, Orton, Schaub, Cassell, Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner

The Bad
Edwards, Henne (although he looked pretty good on MNF), Delhomme, Anderson, Gerrard, Hill, Bulger, Josh Johnson

We have an amazing opportunity in next years draft having two picks in the 1st round. Despite our recent 1st round blunder involving a QB, we should use one of those picks on a QB. Nate Davis is our project, but how realistic is it that he'll be one of those QB's in the Romo/Brady category? How much more realistic is it that he'll be in the Edwards/Gerrard category?

Shaun Hill is limited as a QB. We definitely need to pick a QB in the 1st round in 2010! Your thoughts?

Sorry but this is a terrible list. Jake Delhomme was a pretty damn good QB before the Cardinals game last year. Derek Anderson was a pro bowl QB but has a terrible team around him. Trent Edwards had a decent season a couple years ago but bad coaching and not a good o-line. David Gerrard was good the last two years but no o-line or receivers. Marc Bulger was a pro bowl QB. I can go on. Your argument is pretty bad. All QBs have a 50/50 shot in being a good pro or not. Nate Davis was projected to go in the 2nd round but his last two games in college weren't that great and teams were worried about a slight learning disability. Suddenly you want us to select a QB next year because Nate isn't a sure thing? How about you give him a shot before writing him off.

This is hilarious. Can you honestly tell me that you'd be comfortable with Derek Anderson as our QB? Or a "decent" Trent Edwards? Or a "good" David Gerrard? Or even Marc Bulger? I can go on... Don't be a fool. What do all of these guys have in common? Yes, they're good enough to start in the league...but they've also NEVER HAVE and NEVER WILL win a Super Bowl!

I'll feel a lot more comfortable with a 1st round LEGITIMATE talent as opposed to a late round project.

Are you really serious??? I'm not saying that I would want any of those QBs. Take another read. All I said that all those QBs has proven at some point that they were worth starting for their respective football teams. Do you not remember Marc Bulger taking over Kurt Warner and torching his opponents? Cus I sure as hell do. Do you remember people wanting us to trade for Derek Anderson? I'm not a fan but I'm sure if he actually had some receivers and an o-line, he would have more pro bowl years. Palmer, Cutler, McNabb, or Rivers never won super bowls. Does that mean that they suck too? You also say Cassel is a good QB. His stats were inflated in New Englands passing offense. Look what's happened to him now with the Chiefs.

Be real. Whether your a first round QB or a 5th rounder, they all have high bust potential if not trained correctly. The only difference is that if you draft them in the 1st round, then the teams have more invested in them.

You're making it worse for yourself. I've never heard of a 5th round bust. And your claim that the "only difference" is that teams have more invested in a 1st rounder is actually making me laugh in my seat.

Choosing a QB in the 1st round is a better blueprint for success than drafting a late round project, hoping that he pans out, while addressing other needs. And if you don't believe me, ask the Lions, Steelers, Giants, Broncos, Jets, Ravens, etc.

Also, you contradict yourself by attacking my claim that Cassell is a good QB. You seem to think that Gerrard and Bulger are pro bowlers if they have a good line and good targets. Can't the same be said about Cassell then?

Stop arguing with me and turn it to FOX. GO YANKS!

How am I making it worse for myself? In your original post, you name some QBs who were late round QBs or undrafted QBs that have done real well in the NFL. My initial argument was to defend some of the QBs you had in the "Bad" list and I feel I defended that pretty well by the looks of their history in the NFL. I wouldn't mind drafting a QB in the 1st round, but in all honesty, there are no clear cut, can't miss, QBs in the 2010 Draft. None. I'd much rather wait for Nate Davis who probably has enough skill to match up with the other QBs in the 2010 draft.
Why exactly are you laughing that the only difference was the investment between a 1st round QB and a 3rd-Undrafted QB? Again, it's been proven that there are QBs that can play in the NFL even if they aren't a 1st rounder. Brady, Romo, Bulger, Montana, etc.

Btw, Cassell sucks.
What is this list supposed to tell me? You omitted every QB taken outside of the 1st round that busted.
Take linemen with the first 4 picks!

We have seen what a monster oline does for Orton.