Who can address our need at Right Tackle?

I'm still a fan of Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga for our second 1st round pick. Here is my first three picks so far:

Eric Berry (or Taylor Mays if Berry is already off the board)
Anthony Davis/Bryan Bulaga
Jerry Hughes

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still a fan of Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga for our second 1st round pick. Here is my first three picks so far:

Eric Berry (or Taylor Mays if Berry is already off the board)
Anthony Davis/Bryan Bulaga
Jerry Hughes

Yup, one of those two safeties at top 10 for us would be phenomenal like getting Crabtree at #10!

It's that second 1st that kind of perplexes me because of our needs. I think this pick will depend on who we pick up in FA. Imagine if we landed a Peppers, Merriman, Wilfolk, or Hampton on D. The ROT crop is not as talented or abundant in FA. Therefore, grab our new pass rusher and NT in FA and go with a talented OT in the latter part of the 1st like Williams, Davis, Bulaga.

Then take Lupati in the second if doesn't jump into the end of the first. After being introduced to him by MadDog, I went to research him. DAMN!!!! Like another Larry Allen. Heck, he may jump all the way into the top 25. Anyway, he would solidify our line, too.

Staley-Lupati--Heitmann--Rachal--Williams

Anyway, we definitely scored with Carolina's pick even if they start winning. This draft is deep in talent and all accounts look like there will be a mass exodus from college before the CBA and rookie pools change.

2010 FA and draft look so awesome for our positions of need anyway you slice it.

Can't wait to try out that piece!

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still a fan of Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga for our second 1st round pick. Here is my first three picks so far:

Eric Berry (or Taylor Mays if Berry is already off the board)
Anthony Davis/Bryan Bulaga
Jerry Hughes

Lets give Harris Barton a call and see if he wants the job

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Ciron Black from LSU would be a nice choice in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I like him too, I think he will go in the first round though around 20.

Ciron Blacks declining draft projection has really puzzled me... During this time last year - he seemed like a surefire first rounder. But apparently questions about his athleticism and pass protection have caused him to be seen as more of a middle rounder.

If we do not address the need in the first round with a Trent Williams, then Black would be my top option in subsequent rounds. However, as it stands right now, I predicting our 1st round to look like this:

1a) Trent Williams (OT) - Top 15 selection
1b) Jerry Hughes (OLB) - Pick #20-25

I feel the most optimistic prediction would have us landing one of either Trent Williams, Eric Berry, or Ndamukong Suh with our 1st pick...

However, Jerry Hughes is a MUST have with our 2nd 1st rounder - He is a natural strong-side DE/OLB and is the most effective pass rusher in the draft. Pairing him with Parys Haralson will provide with the pass rush that we've been seeking for so long.

I think the OT's in this draft will go in this order:
1) Russell Okung-OK State (Top 5)
2) Charles Brown-USC (Top 10)
3) Jason Fox- Miami (Top 15)
4) Trent Williams- Oklahoma (Top 25)

I've got a feeling Bryan Bulaga of Iowa will return for his final year. Based on this projection, the player the Niners would target with their second first rounder would be Trent Williams, who seems to be the bigger-sized RT the Niners would covet for their run game.

Keep an eye on this kid, Fox, from Miami. He's playing at a very high level, has excellent size, and good athletic ability. He's going to be one of those, "Who is he?" as we approach the draft.

If I were a betting man right now, I'd say the two first rounders were Niners' jerseys one year from now: Taylor Mays and Trent Williams.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Oct 15, 2009 at 15:40:34 ]

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still a fan of Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga for our second 1st round pick. Here is my first three picks so far:

Eric Berry (or Taylor Mays if Berry is already off the board)
Anthony Davis/Bryan Bulaga
Jerry Hughes

That would be great!

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Let me lay out some names (aside from Trent Williams) of road-grading RT's for you:

Top tier, Day One Talent:
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa * JR
Anthony Davis, Rutgers * JR
Ciron Black, LSU
Jason Fox, Miami

Middle tier, Early-Mid Day Two Talent:
Sam Young, Notre Dame
Kyle Calloway, Iowa
Chris Scott (Can play all five OL positions), Tennessee

Bottom tier, Late Day Two and Developmental Talent:
Rodger Saffold, Indiana
Drew Davis, Alabama
Will Barker, Virginia

IYHO OTC, who would you rather have with that second first rounder? Bulaga, Davis, or Lupati (Will he jump that hi out of the second)? It just seems like Lupati's equal is not found anywhere...top of the crop of Gs whereas we have options at ROT in the second and third.

I guess what I am asking is that the level of talent really diminishes after Lupati. The same with the safeties Berry and Mays who are top 10 talents. Therefore, I would love to see us go like this:

Top 10 pick: Mays, FS/SS (I just think Berry will be pick top five for sure) starts from day 1
Top 20 -25 pick: Lupati There just isn't a G as good.
2nd: Best DE/OLB like Hughes, Lang, and others very deep!
3rd: S. Young ROT
4th: P. Taylor NT

Of course, there's a lot more college ball, Senior bowl, combine, la la la la la...

Still, I love the idea of grabbing one of those two safeties! If not, I really could see us trade back because you know someone like the Jets is going to jump up for one of the top QBs, DTs and/or OTs. That would give us more picks in a very rich talented draft especially at DE/OLB and ROT.

What would your ideal first three picks be, OTC...just curious?

Thanks man!



PS I didn't even go QB because of Nate Davis, your boy from last year. I just think they found a gem with him in the fifth and will continue to mold him behind both Smith and Hill. I see Smith and Davis competing next year for the starting job and Hill becoming a backup again.

Well, if Berry is there, there is absolutely no question that we have to select him with safety being one of the weakest spots we've had on defense for such a long time.

If he's not, we might want to take a look at freak-of-nature DE, Carlos Dunlap, of Florida or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy. I just don't know about Mays.. I'm torn. And that tells me he might be more of a 10-15 kind of pick.

With the second first rounder, I'd take Lupati hands down right now.

So to quickly answer your question -- my ideal first three picks would be:

1) SS Berry.
1) OG Iupati.
2) OT Ciron Black.

If a guy like Eric Norwood or some other tenacious pass-rusher fell into the third due to "height" knocks, etc. -- Again, I'd see that as a "MUST TAKE" and no-brainer scenario where we have no choice but to select them.

If we don't land Berry, I really like Notre Dame's SS Kyle McCarthy. The kid's just a football player. He gets it done. We could eye him from the late 5th-7th rounds.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 29, 2009 at 14:24:12 ]

Buyer beware on Ciron Black... he has been looking like Kwame Harris jr. Awful, sluggish pass protector... good thing the QB is quick.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If I were a betting man right now, I'd say the two first rounders were Niners' jerseys one year from now: Taylor Mays and Trent Williams.

I can def see us taking Mays because of the way McCloughan has gone after combine freaks in the past years. Berry is better but Carolina's pick simply won't be high enough to get him because there are easily at least 5 teams worse than them this year.

Would you take Iupati over Trent Williams? I'd take either, but alot depends on whether Rachal shows any improvement the rest of this year, and whether Pashos can take over RT since Snyder hasn't, isn't, and probably won't ever be the answer at RT.

I sure hope we can get this O-line taken care of this offseason.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Let me lay out some names (aside from Trent Williams) of road-grading RT's for you:

Top tier, Day One Talent:
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa * JR
Anthony Davis, Rutgers * JR
Ciron Black, LSU
Jason Fox, Miami

Middle tier, Early-Mid Day Two Talent:
Sam Young, Notre Dame
Kyle Calloway, Iowa
Chris Scott (Can play all five OL positions), Tennessee

Bottom tier, Late Day Two and Developmental Talent:
Rodger Saffold, Indiana
Drew Davis, Alabama
Will Barker, Virginia

IYHO OTC, who would you rather have with that second first rounder? Bulaga, Davis, or Lupati (Will he jump that hi out of the second)? It just seems like Lupati's equal is not found anywhere...top of the crop of Gs whereas we have options at ROT in the second and third.

I guess what I am asking is that the level of talent really diminishes after Lupati. The same with the safeties Berry and Mays who are top 10 talents. Therefore, I would love to see us go like this:

Top 10 pick: Mays, FS/SS (I just think Berry will be pick top five for sure) starts from day 1
Top 20 -25 pick: Lupati There just isn't a G as good.
2nd: Best DE/OLB like Hughes, Lang, and others very deep!
3rd: S. Young ROT
4th: P. Taylor NT

Of course, there's a lot more college ball, Senior bowl, combine, la la la la la...

Still, I love the idea of grabbing one of those two safeties! If not, I really could see us trade back because you know someone like the Jets is going to jump up for one of the top QBs, DTs and/or OTs. That would give us more picks in a very rich talented draft especially at DE/OLB and ROT.

What would your ideal first three picks be, OTC...just curious?

Thanks man!



PS I didn't even go QB because of Nate Davis, your boy from last year. I just think they found a gem with him in the fifth and will continue to mold him behind both Smith and Hill. I see Smith and Davis competing next year for the starting job and Hill becoming a backup again.

Well, if Berry is there, there is absolutely no question that we have to select him with safety being one of the weakest spots we've had on defense for such a long time.

If he's not, we might want to take a look at freak-of-nature DE, Carlos Dunlap, of Florida or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy. I just don't know about Mays.. I'm torn. And that tells me he might be more of a 10-15 kind of pick.

With the second first rounder, I'd take Lupati hands down right now.

So to quickly answer your question -- my ideal first three picks would be:

1) SS Berry.
1) OG Lupati.
2) OT Ciron Black.

If a guy like Eric Norwood or some other tenacious pass-rusher fell into the third due to "height" knocks, etc. -- Again, I'd see that as a "MUST TAKE" and no-brainer scenario where we have no choice but to select them.

If we don't land Berry, I really like Notre Dame's SS Kyle McCarthy. The kid's just a football player. He gets it done. We could eye him from the late 5th-7th rounds.

As with all college season, there seem to be some flux in the late first through second round talent. I still am amazed at how many pass rushing prospects we have. Heck, would we go after 4-3 type guys now instead of the 3-4?

If we go after Dunlop, I would expect him to be used as a pass rusher not a 3-4 end so....we go 4-3? Very intriguing to say the least. This changes our entire way of thinking on D.

Hmmmmmmmmm...but since this is an OT thread we can discuss that in one of the defensive threads.

The more I read about Trent Williams the more he's seems to fit our ROT need especially since he's played the position at a high level for years before moving to LT this year. Still, I see players in the second and third that could do the same like Black or even Young.

Getting Lupati would be awesome for Singletary's vision at OL so I wouldn't put it passed both Scotty and Mike to grab him with that second first since Lupati will no doubt start rising from the ranks of the bottom of the second where I see him most by draft day.

[ Edited by ninertico on Oct 16, 2009 at 08:22:12 ]

If Legbreaker was a foot taller and 80lbs heavier he could do it.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think the OT's in this draft will go in this order:
1) Russell Okung-OK State (Top 5)
2) Charles Brown-USC (Top 10)
3) Jason Fox- Miami (Top 15)
4) Trent Williams- Oklahoma (Top 25)

I've got a feeling Bryan Bulaga of Iowa will return for his final year. Based on this projection, the player the Niners would target with their second first rounder would be Trent Williams, who seems to be the bigger-sized RT the Niners would covet for their run game.

Keep an eye on this kid, Fox, from Miami. He's playing at a very high level, has excellent size, and good athletic ability. He's going to be one of those, "Who is he?" as we approach the draft.

If I were a betting man right now, I'd say the two first rounders were Niners' jerseys one year from now: Taylor Mays and Trent Williams.

Come on MD. Where's the love for Anthony Davis?

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Let me lay out some names (aside from Trent Williams) of road-grading RT's for you:

Top tier, Day One Talent:
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa * JR
Anthony Davis, Rutgers * JR
Ciron Black, LSU
Jason Fox, Miami

Middle tier, Early-Mid Day Two Talent:
Sam Young, Notre Dame
Kyle Calloway, Iowa
Chris Scott (Can play all five OL positions), Tennessee

Bottom tier, Late Day Two and Developmental Talent:
Rodger Saffold, Indiana
Drew Davis, Alabama
Will Barker, Virginia

IYHO OTC, who would you rather have with that second first rounder? Bulaga, Davis, or Lupati (Will he jump that hi out of the second)? It just seems like Lupati's equal is not found anywhere...top of the crop of Gs whereas we have options at ROT in the second and third.

I guess what I am asking is that the level of talent really diminishes after Lupati. The same with the safeties Berry and Mays who are top 10 talents. Therefore, I would love to see us go like this:

Top 10 pick: Mays, FS/SS (I just think Berry will be pick top five for sure) starts from day 1
Top 20 -25 pick: Lupati There just isn't a G as good.
2nd: Best DE/OLB like Hughes, Lang, and others very deep!
3rd: S. Young ROT
4th: P. Taylor NT

Of course, there's a lot more college ball, Senior bowl, combine, la la la la la...

Still, I love the idea of grabbing one of those two safeties! If not, I really could see us trade back because you know someone like the Jets is going to jump up for one of the top QBs, DTs and/or OTs. That would give us more picks in a very rich talented draft especially at DE/OLB and ROT.

What would your ideal first three picks be, OTC...just curious?

Thanks man!



PS I didn't even go QB because of Nate Davis, your boy from last year. I just think they found a gem with him in the fifth and will continue to mold him behind both Smith and Hill. I see Smith and Davis competing next year for the starting job and Hill becoming a backup again.

Well, if Berry is there, there is absolutely no question that we have to select him with safety being one of the weakest spots we've had on defense for such a long time.

If he's not, we might want to take a look at freak-of-nature DE, Carlos Dunlap, of Florida or Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy. I just don't know about Mays.. I'm torn. And that tells me he might be more of a 10-15 kind of pick.

With the second first rounder, I'd take Lupati hands down right now.

So to quickly answer your question -- my ideal first three picks would be:

1) SS Berry.
1) OG Lupati.
2) OT Ciron Black.

If a guy like Eric Norwood or some other tenacious pass-rusher fell into the third due to "height" knocks, etc. -- Again, I'd see that as a "MUST TAKE" and no-brainer scenario where we have no choice but to select them.

If we don't land Berry, I really like Notre Dame's SS Kyle McCarthy. The kid's just a football player. He gets it done. We could eye him from the late 5th-7th rounds.

As with all college season, there seem to be some flux in the late first through second round talent. I still am amazed at how many pass rushing prospects we have. Heck, would we go after 4-3 type guys now instead of the 3-4?

If we go after Dunlop, I would expect him to be used as a pass rusher not a 3-4 end so....we go 4-3? Very intriguing to say the least. This changes our entire way of thinking on D.

Hmmmmmmmmm...but since this is an OT thread we can discuss that in one of the defensive threads.

The more I read about Trent Williams the more he's seems to fit our ROT need especially since he's played the position at a high level for years before moving to LT this year. Still, I see players in the second and third that could do the same like Black or even Young.

Getting Lupati would be awesome for Singletary's vision at OL so I wouldn't put it passed both Scotty and Mike to grab him with that second first since Lupati will no doubt start rising from the ranks of the bottom of the second where I see him most by draft day.

I think Dunlap would do fine as a 3-4 end in the role that Justin Smith plays, and if you stick him in there on passing downs, look out. at 6-6 290, he'd already have the prototypical size, with the frame to add or lose 5-10 pounds depending on what we'd like to do.