Better NFL QB: McCoy or Bradford

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
How about the QB from Ol Miss he is being mention as a good NFL prospect Sneed is his last name I believe?

Anyone have any info on the guy he did beat Florida last year>?

He actually could be the sleeper in all this. He was at Texas for a year or two before realizing he was never going to wrestle the job away from Colt, so he transfered.

Living in Austin, I watched him (Jevan Sneed) since he was recruited. Once he got installed as the full time guy at Ole Miss, he really looked sharp. A good year this year, and he could be in the Heisman running a very possibly a first round consideration or a 2nd round steal.

I think things really worked out for him. Had he beaten Colt he would have been "the guy after VY" which really hampered Colt until he proved he could play. Who knows if Snead would have done as well. Instead he goes to a low pressure situation with low expectations and is in a pro style system to boot.

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
How about the QB from Ol Miss he is being mention as a good NFL prospect Sneed is his last name I believe?

Anyone have any info on the guy he did beat Florida last year>?

He actually could be the sleeper in all this. He was at Texas for a year or two before realizing he was never going to wrestle the job away from Colt, so he transfered.

Living in Austin, I watched him (Jevan Sneed) since he was recruited. Once he got installed as the full time guy at Ole Miss, he really looked sharp. A good year this year, and he could be in the Heisman running a very possibly a first round consideration or a 2nd round steal.

I think things really worked out for him. Had he beaten Colt he would have been "the guy after VY" which really hampered Colt until he proved he could play. Who knows if Snead would have done as well. Instead he goes to a low pressure situation with low expectations and is in a pro style system to boot.

Ole Miss doesn't run a pro style offense.
Snead is good though.

McCoy flicks the ball very much like Dan Marino. He moves in the pocket as well as anyone. Bradford reminds me of Manning: excellent reads and great accuracy. The real question is Bradford worth 85 million with 48 guaranteed compared to 20 million for McCoy? Because the CBA won't affect the 2010 rookie pool i bet.

Neither...I'd rather wait and see what our picks turn out to be and how all the athletes play, especially in the big games.

Many believe Snead could go number one next year. We'll see.

Originally posted by cestmoi:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
How about the QB from Ol Miss he is being mention as a good NFL prospect Sneed is his last name I believe?

Anyone have any info on the guy he did beat Florida last year>?

He actually could be the sleeper in all this. He was at Texas for a year or two before realizing he was never going to wrestle the job away from Colt, so he transfered.

Living in Austin, I watched him (Jevan Sneed) since he was recruited. Once he got installed as the full time guy at Ole Miss, he really looked sharp. A good year this year, and he could be in the Heisman running a very possibly a first round consideration or a 2nd round steal.

I think things really worked out for him. Had he beaten Colt he would have been "the guy after VY" which really hampered Colt until he proved he could play. Who knows if Snead would have done as well. Instead he goes to a low pressure situation with low expectations and is in a pro style system to boot.

Ole Miss doesn't run a pro style offense.
Snead is good though.

And Ole Miss actually does operate the closest thing to a pro-style offense that you'll see in CFB... Ive been claiming him for a minute now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JItc_fgBRKQ

2nd 1st rounder on him

Originally posted by alwaysa49erfan:

Originally posted by GoFD74:
^^
2008 SEC Championship game highlights

Like any QB, some of his throws where the screen passes and dump-offs, but a few key passes were down field, and he hit his guy in stride as you'll see.

Most importantly, when down near the goal line, he made very quick, hard and accurate throws to his WRs for TD passes in places where only they could catch the ball. Very impressive.

Dude, showing highlight clips from some of his games shows nothing but he has had some good plays throughout his career. Great. I'm guessing I can Youtube highlights from about 100 other QBs in CFB and have them look good. I don't think anyone is arguing that. The fact is Tebow hasn't been asked to do much. Maybe this year he will be asked to make some real NFL throws. He's great in Urban's system, perfect even. So was Alex Smith. Does the fact that he can run the spread option offense mean he will easily translate to the Pros as a great QB? I think not.

I couldn't agree more with this assessment.
TEBOW

favorite quote, "But it's a lesson: Superman in college can become Danny Wuerffel in the pros."

what NFL throws is he failing at exactly?

its a mistake to compare the offense run at Florida to the offense that was run at Utah like there is some blanket comparison of what Smith ran and what Tebow is running now... There is to much of a difference in what was run in utah to what is being run now to simply ignore it.

Smith made a living out of beating guys week in and week out that cant make a canadian football league team.

Tebow like him or not...is beating players week in and week out that are going to be in the NFL.


On a personal note , I am not a major Tebow fan , but The offense in Florida is carried on his back.

He is not Matt Leinart that gives the ball (one way of the other) to NFL ready playmakers to do the work for him.

Tebow carries that team , he flat out has an "X" factor , were he WILLS his team to victory.

He really reminds me of John Elway.

No doubt the guy has magic in a bottle ,but like elway i end up asking were was that 3 qtrs ago...

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by alwaysa49erfan:

Originally posted by GoFD74:
^^
2008 SEC Championship game highlights

Like any QB, some of his throws where the screen passes and dump-offs, but a few key passes were down field, and he hit his guy in stride as you'll see.

Most importantly, when down near the goal line, he made very quick, hard and accurate throws to his WRs for TD passes in places where only they could catch the ball. Very impressive.

Dude, showing highlight clips from some of his games shows nothing but he has had some good plays throughout his career. Great. I'm guessing I can Youtube highlights from about 100 other QBs in CFB and have them look good. I don't think anyone is arguing that. The fact is Tebow hasn't been asked to do much. Maybe this year he will be asked to make some real NFL throws. He's great in Urban's system, perfect even. So was Alex Smith. Does the fact that he can run the spread option offense mean he will easily translate to the Pros as a great QB? I think not.

I couldn't agree more with this assessment.
TEBOW

favorite quote, "But it's a lesson: Superman in college can become Danny Wuerffel in the pros."

what NFL throws is he failing at exactly?

its a mistake to compare the offense run at Florida to the offense that was run at Utah like there is some blanket comparison of what Smith ran and what Tebow is running now... There is to much of a difference in what was run in utah to what is being run now to simply ignore it.

Smith made a living out of beating guys week in and week out that cant make a canadian football league team.

Tebow like him or not...is beating players week in and week out that are going to be in the NFL.


On a personal note , I am not a major Tebow fan , but The offense in Florida is carried on his back.

He is not Matt Leinart that gives the ball (one way of the other) to NFL ready playmakers to do the work for him.

Tebow carries that team , he flat out has an "X" factor , were he WILLS his team to victory.

He really reminds me of John Elway.

No doubt the guy has magic in a bottle ,but like elway i end up asking were was that 3 qtrs ago...

That statement is ridiculous. Who did Matt Leinart give the ball to that was an "NFL ready playmaker"? Was Tebow not giving the ball to Percy Harvin? I'm not sure what exactly an "NFL ready playmaker" is in your eyes. I'm guessing you aren't sure either.

Easy, Bradford. I personally haven't seen such a accurate arm on a QB since Dan Marino...his leadership is questionable, but we will see.

Bradford.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Easy, Bradford. I personally haven't seen such a accurate arm on a QB since Dan Marino...his leadership is questionable, but we will see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4

That is accuracy. 4 minutes in.

hands down it McCoy. i have been saying that since his freshman year. him and swead were lighting it up, but everyone was to focused on the USC team



colt will be great..i would put my paycheck on it

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by Norwalks_Best:
How about the QB from Ol Miss he is being mention as a good NFL prospect Sneed is his last name I believe?

Anyone have any info on the guy he did beat Florida last year>?

He actually could be the sleeper in all this. He was at Texas for a year or two before realizing he was never going to wrestle the job away from Colt, so he transfered.

Living in Austin, I watched him (Jevan Sneed) since he was recruited. Once he got installed as the full time guy at Ole Miss, he really looked sharp. A good year this year, and he could be in the Heisman running a very possibly a first round consideration or a 2nd round steal.

If he was not as good as McCoy at UT, then he has very little chance of being better than him in the NFL. Players don't mysteriously get better after sitting on the bench for years. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder would be good, but he is not worth a first day pick.

This could also be called the Booty/Sanchez corollary. In other words, Sanchez was a worse QB than Booty for his first two years at USC, than has one good year and is expected to be a star in the NFL?

http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/4/24/851741/a-statistical-look-at-drafting-qbs
This is a rather dense look at what college statistics can be used to predict which QBs succeed in the NFL. David Lewen at Football Outsiders looked at all the QBs in the last decade or so and found some interesting corollaries regarding college stats and NFL success.

Basically 37 games started and 60% completion rate is the bench-mark for a successful NFL career. However this only holds for 1st and 2nd rounders. If you are drafted in the first two rounds, and had over 37 games started and a completion rate of over 60%, chances are you will be successful in the NFL. QBs drafted in the first two rounds who started less than 37 games are almost never successful. (There is a great graph on the above link)

(If you disagree with those numbers or don’t understand the math, you can take it up with the people on the site, I am bringing them up to enlighten the 2010 QB debate.)

The quarterbacks that are each in the top-5 for Scout, Bleacher Report, NFL Draft Scout (CBS sports) and Mel Kiper are Bradford, McCoy and Dan LeFevour. Jevan Snead and Tim Tebow made 3 of the 4 top-5s, Zac Robinson made 2, and Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike each made 1:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/4/24/851741/a-statistical-look-at-drafting-qbs

Looking at the stats for those players and comparing them against the benchmark of 37 games started and 60% completion, the initial conclusion is this: This is going to be the best QB draft in the last decade…by far.

Based on the metrics given in the first link, McCoy is looking to be the best QB prospect in the last decade. If Bradford stays in school his senior year, he would be a close second; although even when he does come out next year, he is an amazing prospect. Even LeFevour looks like one of the top 5 QBs of the past decade (maybe the second best after McCoy). I’m sure most of you will vehemently disagree with that last statement, but the stats are the stats and the corollary between those stats and success is pretty damn impressive.

As for the other players listed above, Zac Robinson and Tim Tebow could be successful QBs, but only if they are deemed good enough to be drafted in the first two rounds (that is weird, but makes sense if you think about it). Jevan Snead is shaping up to be the worst prospect and the others are somewhere in the middle, which means they probably won’t be successful.

A couple interesting stats based on my previous post:
For players drafted in the first or second round in the last 10 years:

If you started 37 games or more and had a completion % higher than 60% in college, you have a 89% chance of being at least as good as Eli Manning.

If you started less than 37 games, regardless of completion %, you have a 11% chance of being better than Eli Manning. If your completion % was less than 60%, your chances of being better than Eli are 0%.