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Which UDFA acquisition are you most excited about?

Which UDFA acquisition are you most excited about?

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Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.
Is it just me or did the UDFA signings excite more fans then the actual draft. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how these guys do in camp.
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Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
At least we all agree that we have potential in the UDFAs. So training camp will start the sort our process and hopefully we will see some of our old timers leave because of more quality and potential, and productivity coming in. I would love to see 3-4 of our UDFAs make the team and or practice squad. That means the team is developing. And then if Balmer, Goldson, T. Brown, Boone, Sheets, etc show great promise and improvement we are going to be a tough team.

Yeah I would love to see a few of these guys make the PS, and maybe if we're real lucky one of them can become a bit of a contributor. It wouldn't be the first time it happened.
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Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Is it just me or did the UDFA signings excite more fans then the actual draft. I'm actually looking forward to seeing how these guys do in camp.

you're right the UDFA's always do, and i dont get it. every year the zone gets hyped about an UDFA and thinks he's the second coming.

last year was cam colvin, a few years back it was ken simonton...i'll try to think of some more....
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Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?

Well your right Active roster means 53 man not game day....we good there.

As for Kory Sheets, I said if he can win the job, because he has experience in it. Whether he does or doesn't is another argument...big deal. But fact is he has all the measurable and intangibles that Chris Johnson does, which is the reason to this whole argument. I list intangibles and you list stats trying to compare the two.
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Kory Sheets - poor mans Chris Johnson, will definitely be that change of pace RB for the 49ers.

very poor, homeless, and meth addict mans chris johnson....maybe

Why do you say that??

chris johnson ran a 4.24, this kid ran in the high 4.4's which makes him more like a very poor man's felix jones

I'm not even looking at their 40 times, but more as what they do as a RB. Both are good outside runners, both are patient and have that second gear once they come off their blocks
. Only thing Johnson has to Sheets is, proven production in the NFL and elite speed. The styles are comparable, but when I said poor mans, I meant because of the lack of speed of Sheets.

and going undrafted compared to being a first round pick is what i was referring to as a very poor, homeless, and meth addict mans chris johnson....maybe

Oh I get it you were being funny.

that and i dont think this kid has half the talent of chris johnson

Why, cause he doesn't run a 4.24 40?? Or cause he wasn't drafted in the 1st round?? Or because its just your simple opinion and have no other reason or reasons??

because i saw a few Purdue games, and he didnt stand out to me as anything special. becuase he's a terrible pass blocker. because he was the feature back for only one year, and topped 100 yards just three times in that year. because in 5 of his games last year he didnt even reach 4.0 YPC

Johnson was the same in college, only made a break through performance when he was a Senior, wasn't really a good pass-blocker, had some durability issues. And to say Sheets doesn't have half the talent as Johnson, when Sheets has 53 total TD's in his career to what Johnson had in his college career with only 43 total.

and johnson's senior campaign was much better than sheets.

Johnson - 236/1423/6.0/17TD's rushing and 37/528/6TD's recieving
Sheets - 234/1131/4.8/16TD's rushing and 37/253/1TD recieving

Johnson also had 36 kick returns, for 1,009 yards and a touch, compared to sheets 14 returns for 259 yards. Thats ten yards less per return on average.

and you think this guy will beat out rossum for the return duties? come on.

Well then, there you go, he not only does have half the talent, hes just as good. No one, ever said anything about being better than Chris Jonson did they??

And no one ever said anything about beating out Rossum, but really just being another KR, you know there are two when they take the field.

just as good? you're out of your mind. 1,317 total yards less is not just as good. hell, i'll even throw out the kick return yardage, and say thats 567 yards from scrimmage less! sheets would have to play in 4-5 more games to get another 567 yards from scrimmage. he's not just as good, he's not even close.

What are you talking about, excluding Special Teams play:

Sheets - Rushing and Receiving = 4,155

Johnson - Rushing and Receiving = 4,278

That's only a 123 yard difference. Like I said, hes not only half as good, hes just as better. Reason he wasn't drafted was maturity, arguing with his coaches about his role on the team, other than that, I don't see a reason why he wasn't drafted.

Besides I compared the two by their style of running and play on the field, not by their stats. But since you happen to throw in their stats, whatever.

i was comparing the stats from their senior seasons when they were both the feature backs. sheets had 1,131 rushing yards and 253 receiving yards, thats 1,384 total, and johnson had 1,423 rushing 528 receiving, which is 1,951 total. sheets would have needed four or 5 more games to amass the same numbers this year. so no, he's not "just as better."

Your simply not getting the point to my comparison. While you compare stats and 40 times, I'm looking more at the style of play that compares. And you continue to ignore the accomplishments Sheets has done, which also includes Purdues all time leader in career touchdowns. And in the end, to say this kid doesn't have half the talent after what hes accomplished, leads me to just end the argument that its mainly your opinion and nothing else.
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Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?

Well your right Active roster means 53 man not game day....we good there.

As for Kory Sheets, I said if he can win the job, because he has experience in it. Whether he does or doesn't is another argument...big deal. But fact is he has all the measurable and intangibles that Chris Johnson does, which is the reason to this whole argument. I list intangibles and you list stats trying to compare the two.

a lot of guys pass the good ole eyeball test (measurables, intangibles) but they cant get it done, which is why i brought up the stats. i think when evaluating if someone will be successful at something they have already done, you should look at the track record. fact is, he was not a good kick returner in college, therefore i am not very optimistic that he will succeed returning kicks in the NFL
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Wow we signed Kirby Freeman, one of the worst QBs i have ever seen

hahaha...i'm a canes fan and i cant even get behind this...
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Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?

Well your right Active roster means 53 man not game day....we good there.

As for Kory Sheets, I said if he can win the job, because he has experience in it. Whether he does or doesn't is another argument...big deal. But fact is he has all the measurable and intangibles that Chris Johnson does, which is the reason to this whole argument. I list intangibles and you list stats trying to compare the two.

Wow, this has been a heated dialogue. I have to agree with Kolohe in that the third running back, whether it is Sheets or Clayton or someone else, will be on the 45 man gameday roster. The third running back is too valueable. That leaves eight players that will be inactive:
1.) The third QB will probably be inactive due to MROB's status as emergency QB.
2.) At least one offensive lineman. They will keep nine on the roster. My guess is the last tackle (maybe Boone) and Cody Wallace will be inactive. Snyder and Wragge can fill in for all five spots.
3.) Cody Wallace. I guess we are develioping him for the future.
4.) Assuming we keep seven DL, the 7th will probably be inactive sometimes. Perhaps this will be Ricky Jean-Francois as he develops.
5.) I am also assuming that we keep 8 LBs. If the backups are, say, Marques Harris, Ahmed Brooks, Scott McKillop, and Jat Moore, I am guessing that Ahmed Brooks ends up inactive for at least 6-8 games.
6.) If Brooks is inactive for 6-8 then Moore will be inactive for 10-12.
7.) That gives us 10 DBs, including Rossum. The fourth best safety, probably Jimmy Williams but who knows, will be inactive.
8.) 10 DBs means four safeties, 5 CBs and 1 Rossum. The last CB on the depth chart will not be activated.

That is a list of eight positions that will see a lot of time on the inactive list. This list will change from week to week according to need so I am not saying that Sheets will be active for every game if he makes the roster, but, and I will say this as firmly as I can, HE WILL BE ACTIVE QUITE OFTEN THIS SEASON!
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?

Well your right Active roster means 53 man not game day....we good there.

As for Kory Sheets, I said if he can win the job, because he has experience in it. Whether he does or doesn't is another argument...big deal. But fact is he has all the measurable and intangibles that Chris Johnson does, which is the reason to this whole argument. I list intangibles and you list stats trying to compare the two.

Wow, this has been a heated dialogue. I have to agree with Kolohe in that the third running back, whether it is Sheets or Clayton or someone else, will be on the 45 man gameday roster. The third running back is too valueable. That leaves eight players that will be inactive:
1.) The third QB will probably be inactive due to MROB's status as emergency QB.
2.) At least one offensive lineman. They will keep nine on the roster. My guess is the last tackle (maybe Boone) and Cody Wallace will be inactive. Snyder and Wragge can fill in for all five spots.
3.) Cody Wallace. I guess we are develioping him for the future.
4.) Assuming we keep seven DL, the 7th will probably be inactive sometimes. Perhaps this will be Ricky Jean-Francois as he develops.
5.) I am also assuming that we keep 8 LBs. If the backups are, say, Marques Harris, Ahmed Brooks, Scott McKillop, and Jat Moore, I am guessing that Ahmed Brooks ends up inactive for at least 6-8 games.
6.) If Brooks is inactive for 6-8 then Moore will be inactive for 10-12.
7.) That gives us 10 DBs, including Rossum. The fourth best safety, probably Jimmy Williams but who knows, will be inactive.
8.) 10 DBs means four safeties, 5 CBs and 1 Rossum. The last CB on the depth chart will not be activated.

That is a list of eight positions that will see a lot of time on the inactive list. This list will change from week to week according to need so I am not saying that Sheets will be active for every game if he makes the roster, but, and I will say this as firmly as I can, HE WILL BE ACTIVE QUITE OFTEN THIS SEASON!

i wouldnt say heated. spirited, sure, but heated makes it sound as if there's hard feelings. no hard feelings, here anyway.

and robinson IS the third RB.
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Wow we signed Kirby Freeman, one of the worst QBs i have ever seen

No kidding, we should've brought my boy back....Ken Dorsey!!!
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Sorry to be a pain, but for the 50% of people saying Sheets what is the scenario in which he's actually on the gameday roster? Unless Coffee totally falls on his face Sheets' best case scenario with us is that he makes our practice squad.

I'm more intrigued by Boone because on top of having potential there's also a chance of a roster spot for him.

Sheets has experience as a KR too, if he can win that job, then he would probably get 3-5 carries a game to throw defenses off balance with his speed. Speculation of course.

you didnt say one of those jobs

Why would I, everyone knows there's USUALLY two KR when they take the field. Now I feel your just nit picking at me....relax.

i'm not at all. any team can throw two kick returners out on the field but everyone knows that there is one guy who is the primary return man. and the primary return man is going to go get the ball 9 times out of 10, and bring it back. who were our secondary kick return guys last year? walker and robinson? they had 19 returns compared to rossum's 47. rossum also missed 3 games, so i'm sure some of those 19 came from there.

robinson is our best special teams player, so his spot on the gameday roster is safe, and walker is either our second or third TE, so his gameday roster spot looks to be safe as well. i'm sorry but i just dont see this guy logging much playing time as a 4th RB with debateable kick return ability

Dont forget that Robinson would also be our back up FB if Norris goes down. It's safe to say that Gore, Coffee, Robinson, and Norris will be the suited every week and Sheets will take Clayton's role until he can take more of Robinson's roles.

If Sheets beats Clayton out of a job, there is no reason to think he won't be on the active roster. Last year we kept 4 backs on the active roster: Gore, Foster, Robinson, and Keasey. We only kept four because Martz wanted six WRs. Now, our offense is more run oriented. They will keep 5 backs on the active roster most weeks, especially if Sheets proves he can play spaecial teams. He won't be returning kicks, but he needs to learn how to play coverage.

This pretty much says it.

no it doesnt. i'm talking about the gameday roster, where they can only carry 45 players. even if he makes the 53 man active roster, he'll most likely be on of the 8 (or 7 most likely since i see them keeping a 3rd QB on gameday) inactives

That's what he just said ACTIVE ROSTER. But sure he would probably be inactive for a few games, could be a bad week of practice, we're light at one position and need to activate someone form the practice squad. I wouldn't put anything past it.

All this because I see potential in a player.

i know he said active roster, i was referring to the gameday roster. thats about the third time now you have just completely missed what i was talking about...

i know you see potential in this guy, and thats great, but i dont see the same potential. just because he returned a few kicks in college, and was rather mediocre at it, doesnt give me any reason to believe he'll win a return job on this team. i think he'll compete for a spot on the practice squad, but its going to be an uphill battle for him to see any kind of playing time at all.

sorry i dont agree with you.

Tell me whats the difference between Active Roster and Gameday Roster?? Since I missed what you were saying??

And so Michael Robinson and Delanie Walker aren't mediocre at returning kicks....since when did they go to the Pro Bowl for that???

alright. active roster is 53 guys. i'm sure you know that. this is what the roster gets cut down to after that last preseason game, then they can carry an 8 man practice squad.

however on gameday, teams can only dress 45 of the 53 players. those 45 make up the gameday roster. even though we had 6 WR's on the active roster last year, as stated above, not all of those 6 would dress for the game.

i dont see the 49ers using 5 spots of that 45 man roster on RB's. Robinson and Walker have added value at other positions, so its easy to stick them back there with rossum on kick returns. sheets is going to have to bust his ass to make that 45 man roster is what i'm saying.

robinson and walker are mediocre, for sure. rossum is the kick returner, and he is certainly not mediocre. you said that sheets has KR experience...but he only returned 38 kicks in his career, and averaged 20 yards on them. that doesnt exactly lead me to believe that he's capable of winning a KR job.

Active roster means 45 man, that's why on gameday they call it inactive if your not playing....what aren't you getting, oh and now we're arguing about something totally different LOL. 53 man roster is just the team roster, how can you call it the active roster, when 53 players cannot be active??

Here's something else your not getting that you yourself answered. I said Sheets has experience in kick returns.....YOU.....say he only returned 38 kicks in his career.....now, plain and simple does he or doesn't he have experience in kick returns?? And AGAIN, I said IF he can we the kick return job, not that he will.

no. active roster does not mean 45 man. you're incorrect. the 53 man roster is the active roster because any of those 53 players can be active come sunday, whereas players on the PUP list, practice squad, etc. may not be active on sunday, or monday, or thursday, or sasturday, whenever the game is.

moving on. plain and simple, yes he does have return experience. i never said he didnt, buddy. sure he has experience. not good experience was my point, which you missed yet again. lets say you get hired at McDonalds, Kolohe. you work there for a few weeks, but you suck. you mess up all the orders, you cant put the cheese on the burger right, hell, you cant even flip a burger. so you get fired. do you have experience at McDonlads? yes. you do.

you say IF he can win the job. what would give you the impression that he could win that job?

Well your right Active roster means 53 man not game day....we good there.

As for Kory Sheets, I said if he can win the job, because he has experience in it. Whether he does or doesn't is another argument...big deal. But fact is he has all the measurable and intangibles that Chris Johnson does, which is the reason to this whole argument. I list intangibles and you list stats trying to compare the two.

Wow, this has been a heated dialogue. I have to agree with Kolohe in that the third running back, whether it is Sheets or Clayton or someone else, will be on the 45 man gameday roster. The third running back is too valueable. That leaves eight players that will be inactive:
1.) The third QB will probably be inactive due to MROB's status as emergency QB.
2.) At least one offensive lineman. They will keep nine on the roster. My guess is the last tackle (maybe Boone) and Cody Wallace will be inactive. Snyder and Wragge can fill in for all five spots.
3.) Cody Wallace. I guess we are develioping him for the future.
4.) Assuming we keep seven DL, the 7th will probably be inactive sometimes. Perhaps this will be Ricky Jean-Francois as he develops.
5.) I am also assuming that we keep 8 LBs. If the backups are, say, Marques Harris, Ahmed Brooks, Scott McKillop, and Jat Moore, I am guessing that Ahmed Brooks ends up inactive for at least 6-8 games.
6.) If Brooks is inactive for 6-8 then Moore will be inactive for 10-12.
7.) That gives us 10 DBs, including Rossum. The fourth best safety, probably Jimmy Williams but who knows, will be inactive.
8.) 10 DBs means four safeties, 5 CBs and 1 Rossum. The last CB on the depth chart will not be activated.

That is a list of eight positions that will see a lot of time on the inactive list. This list will change from week to week according to need so I am not saying that Sheets will be active for every game if he makes the roster, but, and I will say this as firmly as I can, HE WILL BE ACTIVE QUITE OFTEN THIS SEASON!

i wouldnt say heated. spirited, sure, but heated makes it sound as if there's hard feelings. no hard feelings, here anyway.

and robinson IS the third RB.

He has been, especially given our inability to capitilize on 3rd and short situations, but Coffee was brought in to handle those duties. Sheets will get the chance to stretch the field as the third running back while Robinson will be the special team ace, and specialty back (read: wildcat). Again, this will be a run based offense, so the extra WR will now be an extra RB.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Wow we signed Kirby Freeman, one of the worst QBs i have ever seen

No kidding, we should've brought my boy back....Ken Dorsey!!!

i loved that guy