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crzy's Dynasty Baseball League (49ersMyLife is THE CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • crzy
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Originally posted by BoiseNiner:
Originally posted by crzy:
I'm debating whether or not there should be 3 or 4 keepers.

I think 4 keepers is better because of larger roster size.

However, for each player that is kept (and was originally drafted by a team), that manager must give up a draft pick from the same round where the player was initially drafted the year before


It adds more strategy if you're deciding between keeping Roy Halladay (2nd round) or Madison Bumgarner (11th round)

I've never been in a keeper league like that yet. I've always liked the idea though. How does that work on FA acquisitions and trades?

Free agent acquisitions remain the same during the season. You have a maximum of 4 transactions per week to prevent players from streaming pitchers.

There will be a trade deadline sometime in August.

Once the season ends, however, the trade restriction is lifted. In the offseason, people are free to trade whatever keepers or future draft picks they want to trade.

One week before the draft, you have to set your keepers. You made trade players or picks during the draft as well.


The specifics of keeping players won't come into play until Year 2.




If a player drafted this team for instance in Year 1:

Player A
1. (9) Joe Mauer (Min - C)
2. (16) Carl Crawford (Bos - OF)
3. (33) Justin Morneau (Min - 1B)
4. (40) Brandon Phillips (Cin - 2B)
5. (57) Shane Victorino (Phi - OF)
6. (64) Josh Beckett (Bos - SP)
7. (81) Stephen Drew (Ari - SS)
8. (88) Jason Bartlett (SD - SS)
9. (105) Raúl Ibañez (Phi - OF)
10. (112) Heath Bell (SD - RP)
11. (129) Brad Hawpe (SD - 1B,OF)
12. (136) Casey McGehee (Mil - 2B,3B)
13. (153) David Price (TB - SP)
14. (160) Brian Fuentes (Oak - RP)
15. (177) Rich Harden (Oak - SP)
16. (184) Tim Hudson (Atl - SP)
17. (201) Daisuke Matsuzaka (Bos - SP)
18. (208) Frank Francisco (Tor - RP)
19. (225) Martín Prado (Atl - 1B,2B,3B)
20. (232) Brandon Inge (Det - 3B)
21. (249) Orlando Cabrera (Cin - SS)
22. (256) Mike Cameron (Bos - OF)
23. (273) Nick Johnson (NYY - 1B)

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If player A decided to keep Mauer, Crawford, Mourneau and David Price, then in Year 2, their draft board would start like this.

1. Joe Mauer
2. Carl Crawford
3. Justin Morneau
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. David Price
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.


So when we start drafting, PLayer A would be giving up their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 13th round picks....Player A would begin drafting in Round 4.

As you can see, this assigns more value to good players that you can find in the latter stages of the draft, like David Price above in Round 13....because you would be losing a much lower draft pick.

If you decide you want to keep a player that went undrafted the previous year, that you picked up off the waiver wire, then that guy would have a keeper value of Round 23.

Say team A drafted Alex Rios in Round 10 of Year 1. Then during the year they dropped Alex Rios. Team B picks up Alex Rios and then decides they want to keep Alex Rios for Year 2. Alex Rios would have a keeper round value of Round 10, not round 23. Player B would be giving up their 10th round pick in Year 2.


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In subsequent years that a player is kept (2 years after they were drafted and so forth)....the "keeper round" of the player will jump up as the original draft round divided by 2 (rounded).

Say we go to Year 3, and Player A wants to keep Mauer, Crawford, Mourneau and David Price again, then in Year 3, their draft board would start like this.

David Price = 13/2 = 6.5 = rounded to 7.

1. Joe Mauer
2. Carl Crawford
3. Justin Morneau
4.
5.
6.
7. David Price
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
  • jrg
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Lol, you guys are making this a lot more complicated then it needs to be....
  • crzy
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Originally posted by jrg:
Lol, you guys are making this a lot more complicated then it needs to be....



It's not as complicated as people think.
  • crzy
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Pitching Scoring

Earned Run: -1 pts
Hits Allowed: -1 pts
Walks Allowed: -1 pts
HR Allowed: -1 pts
Hit Batter: -1 pts
Pickoff: +0.5 pts

Win: 2 pts
Loss: -1 pts
Strikeout: 1 pts
Innints Pitched: 2 pts

Save: 4 pts
Blown Save: -3 pts
Hold: 1 pts
Inherited Runs Allowed: -0.5 pts

Complete Game: 6 pts
Shutout: 10 pts





The main problem I have is with pitchers that have dual eligibility (SP/RP)

This is a points league. If it is skewed too much toward starting pitchers, then people will be able to play someone like Brandon Morrow who had dual RP/SP eligibility at the RP position.

That would make closers not valuable at all relative to starters.

The only way to counter this is to make saves much more valuable.

[ Edited by crzy on Feb 1, 2011 at 11:35:34 ]
Originally posted by crzy:
Pitching Scoring

Earned Run: -1 pts
Hits Allowed: -1 pts
Walks Allowed: -1 pts
HR Allowed: -1 pts
Hit Batter: -1 pts
Pickoff: +0.5 pts

Win: 2 pts (Should be at least 4)
Loss: -1 pts ( should be -2 as a minimum.. how can a blown save be worse????)
Strikeout: 1 pts
Innints Pitched: 2 pts ( 1 pt - 2 is WAY too much)
Save: 4 pts ( too high - a save should not be twice as much as a W)
Blown Save: -3 pts
Hold: 1 pts
Inherited Runs Allowed: -0.5 pts

Complete Game: 2 pts ( should be double - a CG is a BIG deal)
Shutout: 4 pts





The main problem I have is with pitchers that have dual eligibility (SP/RP)

This is a points league. If it is skewed too much toward starting pitchers, then people will be able to play someone like Brandon Morrow who had dual RP/SP eligibility at the RP position.

That would make closers not valuable at all relative to starters.

The only way to counter this is to make saves much more valuable.

Sorry but I think these are out of whack. An inning pitched should not count as much as a Win. That is just stupid. In the H2H leagues I have been in Wins counted for 6 pts but they should be worth at least 4. Double the points for Wins and also for Losses.

Also.. you think the points for a complete game should be equal to 1 inning pitched? HAve you gone mad?
  • crzy
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I appreciate the input ^^,


Here is my thought process

Wins are not an individual pitching category...they are a team category



Let's compare two theoretical scenarios using Matt Cain.


Let's say in Game 1: Matt Cain

pitches 7 innings, gives up 4 runs, 2 hits, 0 walks, 6 strikeouts, and wins the game



Let's say in Game 2: Matt Cain

pitches 8 innings, gives up 1 run, 2 hits, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts, and gets a no decision




If Wins are worth 6 points like you are suggesting, Matt Cain would have scored


Game 1: 20 points
Game 2: 18 points



Even though he clearly pitched better in the 2nd game, giving up only 1 run in 8 frames......he is scoring more points in the first game merely because the Giants offense gave him more runs.



That just doesn't compute for me.



I'm trying to come up with a scoring system that awards pitchers based on their individual performance, while balancing somewhat between starting pitchers and elite closers.
  • crzy
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I used Tim Lincecum to test whether or not the scoring system made sense.

I put all 33 of his starts into a spreadsheet, calculated the fantasy points generated in each start and compared whether or not one start was better than another, and therefore should have generated more fantasy points.

This is with my scoring system above where wins are 2 points, IP are 2 points, etc




Now this is with NinerJohn's scoring system where IP = 1 point, Wins = 4 points, Loss = -2 points, complete game = 4 points




There is no way that Timmy's performance on April 28 where Brian Wilson blew the save to cost Timmy the win should be worth less fantasy points this his performance on September 7, for instance.



Yeah, I have a lot of free time on my hands at work this week lol

[ Edited by crzy on Feb 1, 2011 at 11:30:27 ]
I dont know Crzy... I think your scoring is out of whack. Again, when an inning pitched is worth the same as a Complete Game that simply doesnt compute.
  • crzy
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I dont know Crzy... I think your scoring is out of whack. Again, when an inning pitched is worth the same as a Complete Game that simply doesnt compute.

You're right on that point absolutely, I will make complete games worth way more.

That's a minor point, in any case since there are few complete games relative to every other stat.


How about this

Complete Game: 6 points
Shutout: 10 points.


Those are nice bonus stats.
Its your league and you can set the points anyway you like. I just think you are trying to reinvent the wheel somewhat with some of these point totals. I'm in either way.
  • crzy
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Its your league and you can set the points anyway you like. I just think you are trying to reinvent the wheel somewhat with some of these point totals. I'm in either way.

I pretty much copied the league set-up on a sabermetric site I visit.
  • jrg
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Originally posted by jrg:

more like

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Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by jrg:

more like




[ Edited by crzy on Feb 1, 2011 at 11:45:46 ]
  • crzy
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Anyways, to condense all my ramblings


Settings
-Head to Head Points Yahoo.com
-Webzone Draft starts in March
-4 Keepers with giving up draft picks.

Roster Positions
Hitting (10): C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, Util, Util
Pitching (8): SP, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P
Bench (5): BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL

Scoring for Batting Categories
H: .75
1B: 1
2B: 2
3B: 3
HR: 4
AB: -.25
BB: 1.5
SO: -.75
HBP: 1
R: 1
RBI: 1
SB: 2
CS: -1
GIDP: -1


Scoring for Pitching Categories
ER: -1 pts
H: -1 pts
BB: -1 pts
HR: -1 pts
HBP: -1 pts
PO: +0.5 pts
W: 2 pts
L: -1 pts
K: 1 pts
IP: 2 pts
S: 4 pts
BS: -3 pts
HLD: 1 pts
IRA: -0.5 pts
CG: 6 pts
SHO: 10 pts

[ Edited by crzy on Feb 1, 2011 at 11:51:22 ]